Homebrew GW + 11.3 kills a9hl?

Quantumcat · Feb 25, 2017

CreAtor135 said:
did not get dead consoles as a result, just updated ones. and I mean that's not much of a problem since you have cfw and gateway to play legally dumped backups right?

You can't use Gateway or CFW on 11.3. What are you talking about?

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Brawl345 said:
I can only repeat myself - booting the GW payload DOES NOT LOCK YOURSELF OUT OF ANYTHING! You'll only get a blackscreen, because GW is currently not compatible with 11.3. You can just restart your 3DS with Luma3DS and everything will still work.
You'll brick if you update in Gateway sysNAND ofc, because GW has no FIRM0/1 protection. But you WON'T brick if you just boot the payload.

Yes, booting Gateway mode on sysNAND 11.3 DOES lock you out of everything. It removes a9lh. Even if you updated in Luma. This has been confirmed several times.

Shady Guy Jose · Feb 25, 2017

Brawl345 said:
I can only repeat myself - booting the GW payload DOES NOT LOCK YOURSELF OUT OF ANYTHING! You'll only get a blackscreen, because GW is currently not compatible with 11.3. You can just restart your 3DS with Luma3DS and everything will still work.
You'll brick if you update in Gateway sysNAND ofc, because GW has no FIRM0/1 protection. But you WON'T brick if you just boot the payload.

That's supposedly the result IF YOU TRY TO BOOT AN EmuNAND. However, a lot of people, myself included, now use a SysNAND-only setup with Luma as standard and GW mode (again, on SysNAND) as a keypress chainload. In these cases, it's apparently dangerous to boot GW mode at all it you have an 11.3 SysNAND, as A9LH gets wiped even without updating.

CreAtor135 · Feb 25, 2017

Quantumcat said:
You can't use Gateway or CFW on 11.3. What are you talking about?

The joke was that if you're using Gateway or CFW you're only playing games that you've bought and dumped legally, so there should be no issue with being knocked onto sysNAND 11.3 as you can just buy all of your games.

ManuelKoegler said:
You mean they take pride in stealing the work of others and claiming it as their own *cough* Gateway Fastboot *cough*

Yeah and having their work reverse engineered and stolen by the community with no thanks ever going back to them (i <3 you yifan lu), not that anybody cares. They've only been responsible for n3ds hacking, the first public implement of oothax, downgraded MSET, downgrading in general, first public implement of spider(browser)hax and most if not all of the 9.2 'sploits; mch and firmlaunchhax and indirectly the recent safe_firmlaunchhax, but they forked A9LH and made an implementation that they renamed so they're dirty code thieves who can't do shit but steal and make their customers wait for extended periods of time.

Osmosis · Feb 25, 2017

That's not funny. Even for a joke.

Pipedream or not, GW is really on their last leg here. My gawd, BootNTRselector just wasted GW's cheats, and was easier to install than risking GW payloads locking me out of RedNAND. I will not, and I repeat WILL NOT / HAVE NOT run GWemuNAND since A9LH was released. I am not wasting my time with a multi boot to watch one update faster than the speed of light, and the other get stuck in emuNAND hell waiting for a damn payload.

At this point, RedCART is just extra storage for .3DS games. Shit, Sky3DS can do that. And probably better considering it doesn't require a payload to work every damn update.

What's even more shocking is how quickly Smeah had A9LH payloads updated/upgraded (less than a week after 11.3, and they fixed booting to sysNAND without SD) and GW still hasn't fixed their single payload?

Seriously, wtf!!??

Sure, you could multi boot with an emuNAND, but why!!??? Why would I make my life more difficult just to play my GW? Screw that. It was bad enough chainloading and having to soft reboot to get out of GW mode.

Again, I know it seems like a pipedream, but if GW could get their RedCART to work on Luma3DS (without a payload) it would make my life easier, and would probably keep the damn cart in my case, at best. Otherwise, it keeps morphing from extra storage, to plastic junk.

Anybody want a GW RedCART? I'm about to throw this thing out. Even the BlueCART has more functionality at this point...

My DSTwo almost seems like a dream machine compared to GW RedCART. That's sad.

CreAtor135 said:
The joke was that if you're using Gateway or CFW you're only playing games that you've bought and dumped legally

DELETE GW PAYLOADS AND LOADER FROM SD JUST TO BE SAFE OR YOU MIGHT LOSE A9LH/LUMA3DS AND ALL OF ITS GLORY

Deleted User · Feb 25, 2017

Gateway has been on their last leg for years now and it's still not dead. Not that it matters because it just so happens that the 3DS itself is on its last leg. The 3DS is dying, after 2017 the 3DS won't look so great anymore. It'll be great to pick one up because of the games it already has but not for its future.

Years ago with CFW flashcarts were 'supposed to be dead' and yet we still have many users, Gateway is still being sold.

Gateway has managed to ride from the early 3DS flashcart days all the way to the console's death. If you ask me, that's an incredible achievement.

Columbo2811 · Feb 25, 2017

Stingart said:
Gateway has been on their last leg for years now. Not that it matters because it just so happens that the 3DS itself is on its last leg. The console is dying, after 2017 the console won't look so great anymore.

We can conclude that Gateway has managed to ride from the early flashcart days all the way to the console's death. If you ask me, that's an incredible achievement.

True that. Maybe they have pre ordered a couple of switch's.

CreAtor135 · Feb 25, 2017

Osmosis said:
That's not funny. Even for a joke.

I thought it was pretty funny. God forbid anyone actually pirates on this site!!!!111111000!

I think there's a lot you don't get about how this all works.

Pipedream or not, GW is really on their last leg here. My gawd, BootNTRselector just wasted GW's cheats, and was easier to install than risking GW payloads locking me out of RedNAND. I will not, and I repeat WILL NOT / HAVE NOT run GWemuNAND since A9LH was released. I am not wasting my time with a multi boot to watch one update faster than the speed of light, and the other get stuck in emuNAND hell waiting for a damn payload.

All emuNAND is the same, it's not exclusive to Gateway. The emuNAND you use for Luma is the same emuNAND you use for Gateway, Cakes, Corbenik, etc. unless you're running multiple emuNANDs. emuNAND is an emulated NAND cloned from sysNAND and run off of your SD card. If you're an emuNAND user, this update won't affect you because it will only stop Gateway from booting and not Luma. The case is different for sysNAND only users, I suppose since people have been reporting it I have no choice to believe it but using sysNAND only and booting into Gateway mode after updating to 11.3 will remove A9LH. It will not brick your console, just remove A9LH, and considering this has only happened to 3 people, I'm sure it won't be as big a threat.

And I just wanna say, without Gateway, 90% of NTR's cheat library wouldn't exist. cell9 is back, maybe he'll improve the cheat menu, but for now, no. "BootNTRSelector" doesn't even make cheats, it just boots NTR. Plugins are NTR's job, and even then, as it stands, Gateway's cheat menu is far easier to deal with.

What's even more shocking is how quickly Smeah had A9LH payloads updated/upgraded (less than a week after 11.3, and they fixed booting to sysNAND without SD) and GW still hasn't fixed their single payload?

Seriously, wtf!!??

Smea*

Smea didn't update A9LH. A9LH was never patched for people who already had it, lmao. Smea updated his userland homebrew which is mainly unrelated to A9LH. Once again, A9LH is not a CFW, it is an entrypoint. BootNTR was broken as it always is after an update, but Nanquitas hacked together a fix in a couple hours, and that still isn't a payload or a CFW. Just an app that boots the "CFW" we know as NTR. Normally, Gateway would have fixed their emuNAND support by now, last time it was fixed in 7 days and before that it would be fixed in a day or two, but as they've announced they are working on their "next big feature that will revolutionize the (N)3DS Scene once again. (Their words, not mine.)

Sure, you could multi boot with an emuNAND, but why!!??? Why would I make my life more difficult just to play my GW? Screw that. It was bad enough chainloading and having to soft reboot to get out of GW mode.

Once again, you seem to be mistaken about what emuNAND is, but I've explained it earlier so I'll just stop right there. In any case, running two CFWs is gonna result in you having to softreboot to switch. Literally just assign your payload to a button press and download the Quick Reboot app if it's that difficult for you. Luma is not the only CFW that exists, and assuming that everything should just be built into Luma is disrespectful to say the least.

Again, I know it seems like a pipedream, but if GW could get their RedCART to work on Luma3DS (without a payload) it would make my life easier, and would probably keep the damn cart in my case, at best. Otherwise, it keeps morphing from extra storage, to plastic junk.

Then stop complaining and throw your card away already

Anybody want a GW RedCART? I'm about to throw this thing out. Even the BlueCART has more functionality at this point...

Sure I'll take it off your hands

Send it in a regular envelope with a stamp so you don't have to pay shipping.

Osmosis · Feb 25, 2017

CreAtor135 said:
The case is different for sysNAND only users, I suppose since people have been reporting it I have no choice to believe it but using sysNAND only and booting into Gateway mode after updating to 11.3 will remove A9LH. It will not brick your console, just remove A9LH, and considering this has only happened to 3 people, I'm sure it won't be as big a threat.

Explain that more. How would someone be using sysNAND only with emuNAND and have to worry about losing A9LH? Wouldn't that mean they're using the old method of sysNAND>emuNAND via GW loader and not have A9LH to begin with?

So if I put GW payloads and Loader back onto my A9LH system and booted into GW mode, sure, it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't lose A9LH and Luma3DS? I thought this is what's causing users to get locked out of their existing A9LH setup?

If they were using sysNAND to begin with, sure, updating sysNAND to 11.3 won't load GW, AND it would lock them out of being able to use A9LH to begin with. Simply because 11.3 hasn't been broken yet.

But then if a user is running two emuNANDs, one for Luma and one for GW, they would simply lose the GW emuNAND if they updated everything else to 11.3?

That's what I don't understand.

I'm not trying to put down GW. I want it to work. I really do. Please try to understand my frustration. It doesn't make sense, even I don't get it. I just am tired of watching my RedCART go from usable, to not. I've had to go through how many GateWaits and then A9LH came along and made that go away.

Shady Guy Jose · Feb 26, 2017

Osmosis said:
Explain that more. How would someone be using sysNAND only with emuNAND and have to worry about losing A9LH? Wouldn't that mean they're using the old method of sysNAND>emuNAND via GW loader and not have A9LH to begin with?

So if I put GW payloads and Loader back onto my A9LH system and booted into GW mode, sure, it wouldn't work, but I wouldn't lose A9LH and Luma3DS? I thought this is what's causing users to get locked out of their existing A9LH setup?

If they were using sysNAND to begin with, sure, updating sysNAND to 11.3 won't load GW, AND it would lock them out of being able to use A9LH to begin with. Simply because 11.3 hasn't been broken yet.

But then if a user is running two emuNANDs, one for Luma and one for GW, they would simply lose the GW emuNAND if they updated everything else to 11.3?

That's what I don't understand.

I'm not trying to put down GW. I want it to work. I really do. Please try to understand my frustration. It doesn't make sense, even I don't get it. I just am tired of watching my RedCART go from usable, to not. I've had to go through how many GateWaits and then A9LH came along and made that go away.

A lot of people are using no EmuNAND at all, now. You can boot any CFW on SysNAND with A9LH. And many Gateway users do just that (through Luma). Apparently, booting Gateway Mode on an 11.3 SysNAND, even if you're not doing the update in Gateway Mode, will break your A9LH setup. Previously, you'd have to update SysNAND while in Gateway Mode for that to happen.

nccom · Feb 28, 2017

Osmosis said:
But then if a user is running two emuNANDs, one for Luma and one for GW, they would simply lose the GW emuNAND if they updated everything else to 11.3?

That's what I don't understand.

If you're using emunand then it just won't boot with GW but will boot with Luma, and you can use only one emunand. So you can just use emunand with luma while waiting for gw update or you can recreate it/restore backup, update to 11.2 and continue to use GW.
If you're using sysnand only then a9l will get wiped if you try to boot GW on it...but it will be your error as GW never said that it was ok to ditch emunand and use only sysnand with it.

predator198 · Mar 21, 2017

I lost A9LH on 11.3 (O3DS XL) after running gateway.
I recovered from this using my old NAND backup 4.5 and hardmod (connecting NAND pinout to sd card reader).
So if You have any NAND backup from before losing A9LH, You saved.

qwertoman · May 22, 2017

predator198 said:
I lost A9LH on 11.3 (O3DS XL) after running gateway.
I recovered from this using my old NAND backup 4.5 and hardmod (connecting NAND pinout to sd card reader).
So if You have any NAND backup from before losing A9LH, You saved.

Sorry to resurect this thread, but this same thing just happened to me, but on 11.4. Now, I have a backup from when I insalled a9hl on a previous firmware. So, I could hardmod and resotore that backup,
HOWEVER, with the new boot9strap hack, should I just hardmod and install boot9strap right away? Or harmod and restore my old backup?

keyra · May 22, 2017

anyone with hardmode tried anew with a gateway firm payload on boot9 ?

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