US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan

[Foxi4]

I have a hard time believing Trump "assessed" anything, I think he simply aligned ideologically more with the Taliban than any other group in Afghanistan, so he gravitated toward them without even considering his other options. Religious fundies of a feather flock together.

Oh yeah, Trump, the paragon of religious fundamentalism. Get real. Then again, if you didn't get what the play was 4 years ago, you're not going to get it now.

 

[seany1990]

The UK's defense minister blamed the chaos in Afghanistan on former US President Donald Trump on Monday.
He told "BBC Breakfast" on Monday: "The die was cast when the deal was done by Donald Trump, if you want my observation."

"President Biden inherited a momentum, a momentum that had been given to the Taliban because they felt they had now won. He'd also inherited a momentum of troop withdrawal from the international community, the US."

 

[Lacius]

He should've said "according to an anonymous source", that was perfectly credible during the previous administration.
Given how quickly the Taliban took over the country, his assessment of the situation was orders of magnitude more accurate than Biden's.

Reporters cite "anonymous sources" when the reporter knows who the source is and has verified their credibility (i.e. citing "anonymous sources" from a member of a president's cabinet about something that happened amongst the cabinet members). I haven't found anything like this regarding the Harris quote. Just seemingly made-up rumors circulating conservative Twitter with no sources. So, there's a difference. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Put bluntly, there was no easier way to leave. Staying would only solidify the notion that the US is trying to turn the area into a puppet state or colony, which would spark even more conflict. This sort of thing is sad, but it is an issue for the larger international community.

I don't buy this one, sorry.

and look at this:

“We gave them every chance to determine their own future. We could not provide them with the will to fight for that future”

this was a disgusting lie, and you know this.

Biden did messed up, and the Americans either are happy (the red ones) or are trying to explaining the unexplainable (the blue ones), and they are doing this to the point that they are blaming the Afghanistan people for not fighting men armed with rifles that just the devil knows how ended up there (but we know where were made).

Absurd decisions can't be painted as unavoidable decisions just for the sake of defeating Trump in a election that is years away. You are being just like Trump people doing that way. I beg you, please reflect. People is suffering right now, they are not Americans, but I ensure you that they bleed and they feel pain.

And lastly. You said that it "is an issue for the larger international community". No it is not.

Anyway, now it is too late, I just desire the best of luck to those who stayed there (specially the girls), and for those who will flee and fight for being accepted somewhere else.

 

[Foxi4]

Reporters cite "anonymous sources" when the reporter knows who the source is and has verified their credibility (i.e. citing "anonymous sources" from a member of a president's cabinet about something that happened amongst the cabinet members). I haven't found anything like this regarding the Harris quote. Just seemingly made-up rumors circulating conservative Twitter with no sources. So, there's a difference. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

I know what an anonymous source is. You have a sense of humour, you don't have to pretend to be stiff 24/7.

 

[Xzi]

Oh yeah, Trump, the paragon of religious fundamentalism.

There are unfortunately more similarities between the modern Republican platform and the Taliban's policy stances than there are differences. Ban on abortion? Check. Desire to have homosexuality punishable by law? Check. Desire to ban vaccines? Check. Desire to have religion taught in schools and separation of church/state nullified? Check. Desire to "keep women in their place?" Check. The list goes on.

 

[Lacius]

I know what an anonymous source is. You have a sense of humour, you don't have to pretend to be stiff 24/7.

You seemed to be painting a false equivalence between the various "anonymous sources" during the Trump presidency and the supposed Harris quote.

 

[Foxi4]

You seemed to be painting a false equivalence between the various "anonymous sources" during the Trump presidency and the supposed Harris quote.

Oh, I'm 100% certain that 9 out of 10 of those "anonymous sources" were either talking out of their ass or they heard a snippet of a conversation and misconstrued it, so they built up the rest of the narrative in their imagination. That's always the case, it's a game of Chinese telephone. I hold both to the same standard - the standard is "this is not evidence unless you can unequivocally prove that this statement was actually uttered". There's a reason why third-party accounts of overheard conversations are (usually) not admissible evidence in court - it's hearsay. Eavesdropping is inadmissible, and in certain scenarios a crime in and out of itself. The only two parties that can speak about the contents of a conversation are the parties directly involved in it, unless there's a recording of said conversation. With all that being said, a joke is a joke, and it wasn't exactly concealed.

 

[jimbo13]

You seemed to be painting a false equivalence between the various "anonymous sources" during the Trump presidency and the supposed Harris quote.

The only false equivalency is your partisanship, rage harder that Biden is now suffering from behavior the left normalized. I'll consider your trigger'ed level as a metric of likelyhood.

Take a nap, those mental gymnastics you been doing to absolve Biden of this cluster fuck must be exhausting.

KAMALA GOES INTO SELF-PRESERVATION MODE: Refuses Bidens order to address nation on Afghanistan telling POTUS ‘You Will Not Pin This Sh*t on Me!’ But she was at planning table!!!

 

[Xzi]

KAMALA GOES INTO SELF-PRESERVATION MODE: Refuses Bidens order to address nation on Afghanistan telling POTUS ‘You Will Not Pin This Sh*t on Me!’ But she was at planning table!!!

Do I even have to say it? Fake news. No legitimate outlet titles articles this way.

Biden stands behind his decision to follow through on withdrawal, as well he should.

 

[DoubleDate]

Do I even have to say it? Fake news. No legitimate outlet titles articles this way.

Sweet Heaven, no disrespect to you or anyone but seems like you and the other person are both so hard in denial about this whole situation. Those extremist could be in your backyards and still you will be posting like: No proof, never happened, where is the source?

What do you guys gain with being so denial? Kamala Harris DID distance herself from al this mess. Heck even the Pentagon said that Biden did mess up.

Eventhe case that there are people fearing for their lives Biden goes back to his vacation trip like nothing happened.

Its so oustanding to see this kind of denial and doing all the best to deflect the fact that Biden failed big time.

 

[jimbo13]

Do I even have to say it? Fake news. No legitimate outlet titles articles this way.

Biden stands behind his decision to follow through on withdrawal, as well he should.

It is not fake news, it is a very real rumor.

We have no legitimate news outlets, It's a safe bet that blogger who posted it has lost fewer lawsuits for being a liar than any news outlet you are claiming as "legitimate".

 

[Lacius]

The only false equivalency is your partisanship, rage harder that Biden is now suffering from behavior the left normalized. I'll consider your trigger'ed level as a metric of likelyhood.

Take a nap, those mental gymnastics you been doing to absolve Biden of this cluster fuck must be exhausting.

KAMALA GOES INTO SELF-PRESERVATION MODE: Refuses Bidens order to address nation on Afghanistan telling POTUS ‘You Will Not Pin This Sh*t on Me!’ But she was at planning table!!!

Unsurprisingly, this isn't a credible news report, and it's indistinguishable from something that was completely made-up.

 

[Xzi]

It is not fake news, it is a very real rumor.

If this was intended to be self-parody, well done. If not, yikes.

 

[jimbo13]

Unsurprisingly, this isn't a credible news report, and it's indistinguishable from something that was completely made-up.

Didn't say it was a news report, I said it's a rumor. Anonymous sources tell me your triggered.

 

[Xzi]

Those extremist could be in your backyards and still you will be posting like: No proof, never happened, where is the source?

We already spent hours talking about this last night. Religious extremists are in the US' back yard, but they aren't Taliban. They're Vanilla ISIS and Y'all Queda.

Its so oustanding to see this kind of denial and doing all the best to deflect the fact that Biden failed big time.

This is a bipartisan failure, and a failure of US military leadership. Our pointless involvement in Afghanistan continued through four administrations, two Republican, two Democrat. Policy based on imperialism must come to an end. Permanently.

 

[jimbo13]

We already spent hours talking about this last night. Religious extremists are in the US' back yard, but they aren't Taliban. They're Vanilla ISIS and Y'all Queda.


This is a bipartisan failure, and a failure of US military leadership. Our pointless involvement in Afghanistan continued through four administrations, two Republican, two Democrat. Policy based on imperialism must come to an end. Permanently.

If you are going to make such a ridiculous equivalency do me a favor and PM the liveleak of mormons doing a beheading or a fundie stoning session. I'll wait.

 

[Lacius]

Didn't say it was a news report, I said it's a rumor. Anonymous sources tell me your triggered.

And I'm telling you nobody should be interested in unsubstantiated claims from explicitly biased sources that can't be traced to anything other than the aforementioned biased source.

 

[jimbo13]

And I'm telling you nobody should be interested in unsubstantiated claims from explicitly biased sources that can't be traced to anything other than the aforementioned biased source.

If it's not true you are going to need to demonstrate that, has Biden and Harris released a statement denying it took place?

 

[Lacius]

If it's not true you are going to need to demonstrate that, has Biden and Harris released a statement denying it took place?

Shifting of the burden of proof is a logical fallacy. We believe things when they're demonstrated. If you're going to believe claims until their disproven, and that's your criteria for belief, then you have to believe in all sorts of contradictory nonsense.

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If you are going to make such a ridiculous equivalency do me a favor and PM the liveleak of mormons doing a beheading or a fundie stoning session. I'll wait.

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