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I probably have enough games for the rest of my life considering the speed at which I play them. it took me about six months to go through arise, and over three years thus far for dragon quest xi. I do take my time, but I also only play 1-2 hours a day, and not every day either.
 
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just out of curiosity when got it prooven that the new sink runs cooler? i thought all the time its the other way around (based on nexusgamers tests)
Didn't nexusgamers just test the exhaust heat?

"Look how bad this cooling system is, it's able to remove more heat that the old one" wait....
 
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@Foxi4 may be able to explain it. I don't know all the specifics. he has the original model himself, so we were both talking about the cooling in both systems. I think he knows exactly why it cools more efficiently.
You flatter me. In any case, I wouldn’t necessarily say that it “cools better”, it distributes heat differently due to a different distribution of fin stacks.
Hasty conclusion on the part of Hardware Busters. In order to measure the new design fairly you have to use the exact same fan and PCB, which GN has done in their testing. To my eye it looks like the SOC temperature has increased, which is an expected consequence of reducing thermal mass of the heat sink, *but* the temperature has also decreased in other areas of interest such as the VRM and the memory, which shows that overall placement of fin arrays and heat pipes is more optimal. Whether that’s good or not remains to be seen, however I will point out that both memory and VRM’s are quite happy running at very high temps whereas the SOC is not. It’s also not particularly representative in console since Sony favours noise level over temperature in software, so both sinks will run more or less within margin of error regardless.

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Most people make the (in my opinion) incorrect assumption that lower exhaust temperature = lower system temperature. That’s not how it works - the reason why exhaust air is hot is precisely because the heat was removed from the component and transferred into the air. In order to check if the component is cooler, you have to measure the component, with a thermocouple, not with thermal imaging. Moreover, you have to test the same board with the same fan, not two different systems, to control for other variables when testing a heatsink’s performance. GN did all of that, so their conclusion seems more accurate to me. The SOC runs hotter, other components run cooler, but the differences are minimal. For all we know they could be standard variability between different systems. Personally I think either is fine. :)
Didn't nexusgamers just test the exhaust heat?

"Look how bad this cooling system is, it's able to remove more heat that the old one" wait....
Your skepticism about measuring air temps is warranted. Hotter exhaust air means that heat was removed from the board, which is what you want - that’s the cooler’s job. :lol: People associate cooler exhaust air with a cooler system, but that’s not correct - exhaust air must be hot if the board is supposed to be cool, the heat needs to go somewhere. :P GN used thermocouples on the back of the PCB in critical areas which gives a much better picture, but even that measurement isn’t perfect since they had to re-apply the liquid metal between board swaps, so it’s entirely possible they just did a better job than Sony did at the factory - they admit as much themselves.

If I were to hazard a guess, the old cooler does cool the SOC better due to denser fin stacks in that area whereas the new cooler sacrifices SOC temps in favour of cooling other components and reducing overall weight. We have to give some allowance for variability between systems as well - different silicon and different fans can account for a few degrees up or down, we can only look at general trends. Ultimately it’s a smaller, lighter cooler that does an adequate job. I see it as a cost cutting measure - it uses less material to do more or less the same thing.
 

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I probably have enough games for the rest of my life considering the speed at which I play them. it took me about six months to go through arise, and over three years thus far for dragon quest xi. I do take my time, but I also only play 1-2 hours a day, and not every day either.
same for me my pile of shame dates back to the ps1 days ....most of the time half into the game i lost my interesst or get distracted by other things then when i come back i always start a new game because ive lost track of the story and so it becomes a vicious circle
Didn't nexusgamers just test the exhaust heat?

"Look how bad this cooling system is, it's able to remove more heat that the old one" wait....
nah i think you get confused with that austin guy afaik nexusgamer put some sensors into the ps5 for his test
 

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same for me my pile of shame dates back to the ps1 days ....most of the time half into the game i lost my interesst or get distracted by other things then when i come back i always start a new game because ive lost track of the story and so it becomes a vicious circle

nah i think you get confused with that austin guy afaik nexusgamer put some sensors into the ps5 for his test
I no longer own any psx games, but I own a few ps2 games and one ps3 game. I might retire my cfw ps3, and put my superslim in its place, since I don't play the cfw ps3 at all. I have tales of graces f sealed, but I'm not sure if I should open it, if it's ever worth anything. I would buy digital, but there was an issue last time, and last time, the download and install was slow as shit from psn. haha. I kinda liked that game as that's the reason I bought it. the only other game I ever played on the ps3 was jak and daxter, where I platinum'd the first game. may not seem like much, but it is for someone who doesn't play new games ever. I bought the collection on the ps4 on my ps5. each game is a separate download apparently, which I guess is better than a game that's basically a forwarder. it should save time. jak and daxter 2 is hard as fuck but I like it. I've never played part 3 as I wanted to beat each fully first. I have my superslim, never been exploited, in the other room, so maybe I should hook it up, but that will be after dragon quest xi at least.
 

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You're right, I was confused because gamers nexus found that the VRM/mosfet was cooler (and you reversed his name ;-))

In all honesty the temps on both systems will be similar regardless of the heatsink used because Sony chose not to redline the fan. They’re using a dynamic fan profile leaning towards acoustics that changes depending on the game and with over-the-air updates - they bragged about it when they first announced the system. They’re more concerned about the noise floor of the console - the fan only goes as fast as it needs to before hitting a critical threshold, which is why the differences are within margin of error. A true test of just the bare hunk of metal vs bare hunk of metal would require using the same PCB and the same fan going full-blast, and that’s not a realistic scenario - the PS5 never does that. Both will hit a similar temp within a few degrees because Sony wants them to do that. I am yet to even hear my fan spinning loud once. There are some reports of “UFO fan noise”, but I’ve never experienced it, so the issue must be isolated to one specific fan that I just didn’t come across yet.
 
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I no longer own any psx games, but I own a few ps2 games and one ps3 game. I might retire my cfw ps3, and put my superslim in its place, since I don't play the cfw ps3 at all. I have tales of graces f sealed, but I'm not sure if I should open it, if it's ever worth anything. I would buy digital, but there was an issue last time, and last time, the download and install was slow as shit from psn. haha. I kinda liked that game as that's the reason I bought it. the only other game I ever played on the ps3 was jak and daxter, where I platinum'd the first game. may not seem like much, but it is for someone who doesn't play new games ever. I bought the collection on the ps4 on my ps5. each game is a separate download apparently, which I guess is better than a game that's basically a forwarder. it should save time. jak and daxter 2 is hard as fuck but I like it. I've never played part 3 as I wanted to beat each fully first. I have my superslim, never been exploited, in the other room, so maybe I should hook it up, but that will be after dragon quest xi at least.
yeah the whole jak series and ratchet series are on my list too back when those games were released i was more the edgy 00´s teen who thought those games were for kids same with disney movies ...now im 30 and think goddamn i was stupid xD

You're right, I was confused because gamers nexus found that the VRM/mosfet was cooler (and you reversed his name ;-))


xD yeah sometimes i can be wrong too especially when i write first and think later
 

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yeah the whole jak series and ratchet series are on my list too back when those games were released i was more the edgy 00´s teen who thought those games were for kids same with disney movies ...now im 30 and think goddamn i was stupid xD


xD yeah sometimes i can be wrong too especially when i write first and think later
you're a young'n. I will be 41 a week from Sunday. I have grey in my beard and hair. I'm surprised I made it this far. when I was drinking, I assumed I'd die from that.
 
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you're a young'n. I will be 41 a week from Sunday. I have grey in my beard and hair. I'm surprised I made it this far. when I was drinking, I assumed I'd die from that.
i can feel that....for me its not the booze im more of an smoker but yeah as teen i never thought i would grow older than 30 now im 30 and thinkin i never reach my 50th birthday ...i guess we will speak again in 20 years ;)
 
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i can feel that....for me its not the booze im more of an smoker but yeah as teen i never thought i would grow older than 30 now im 30 and thinkin i never reach my 50th birthday ...i guess we will speak again in 20 years ;)
I'll be 41 in less than a week. Lots of acquaintances have passed from drug addiction, suicide, motorcycle accident, etc.
 
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I'll be 41 in less than a week. Lots of acquaintances have passed from drug addiction, suicide, motorcycle accident, etc.
same-ish here i have only 3 friends left most of them are in jail ,rehabs,looney bins or dead ...and those loses will stuck with you forever ....but the only real important thing is how we deal with such live events
 
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I picked up a PS5 from Amazon Italy with Serialnumber S01-F21C01...
It is on firmware 4.03?
I have a second from Gamestop Italy with Serialnumber S01-G22101W9D1680....and this probably on 5.00 from info on youtube videos.
I think F is earlier from G and both are Version CFI-1116A.
 

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I picked up a PS5 from Amazon Italy with Serialnumber S01-F21C01...
It is on firmware 4.03?
I have a second from Gamestop Italy with Serialnumber S01-G22101W9D1680....and this probably on 5.00 from info on youtube videos.
I think F is earlier from G and both are Version CFI-1116A.

Should look for older model like CFI-10XXA etc
 
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