Gaming Using custom 360 fw? Read in!

[iamwhoiam]

You forget... All consoles are hackable in the end.

Even dreamcast's GD was hacked

 

[OrR]

Wow, they have just shot themselves in the foot... Predictable, maybe necessary from their point of view. It could have quite a negative impact on the 360's position in the market, though. It'll be interesting to see how this one works out.


Why? Most Xbox360s aren't modded.

True but a good portion of the gaming opinion makers have modded boxes. Even if few people protest openly, the overall popularity may change for the worse. I'm not saying what they are doing is wrong. They somehow have to make sure they get the necessary sales in. However, it has made the 360 a lot less attractive for me and lots of other people. Whether that will come back to haunt them or not remains to be seen.

 

[iamwhoiam]

Yeah, but to be honest... you shouldn't buy into hardware because of it's hackability

Even if you state that it'll make modders wary of MS... at the end of the day, all consoles are hacked. It's just that this vulnerability has been closed by MS.

gaming opinion makers

If you mean games reviewers (mags, websites etc)... then no, you would be wrong. They huge majority (99.99%) will have legit hardware/software.

Sony PS2s also had the ability to detect whether or not your console is chipped (if you went online)... and their online access was banned too. So why did their console not cripple away?

 

[iamwhoiam]

Also, you argue that it has a detrimental effect to Microsoft.

But developers are more likely to develop for Xbox360 if they see the MS are implementing such a harsh/strict punishment. So, more exclusives, more kick ass games, MS benefits, gaming community benefits.

 

[lenselijer]

me and a friend of mine are still online

I have hitachi and he has samsung drives, both modded.

 

[Sekkyumu]

They are not using firmware detection to ban your ID's system (they are not banning your XBL account).

In fact, they are using media detection. It doesn't matter if you play with a backup or an original (old or new) game. And it doesn't matter if you've played Halo 3 or not, you'll get banned anyway.

Just unplug your 360 from the Internet for some time. It's rumoured they are gonna ban a second wave very soon.

EDIT : A rumour states that a modified Kernel 360 is being tested to by-pass the ban.

 

[fintendo]

I haven't been banned yet. Just unplugged the internet cable and having my fingers crossed for some way to not getting banned.

 

[Costello]

In fact, they are using media detection. It doesn't matter if you play with a backup or an original (old or new) game.
sounds somewhat contradictory

someone gave another explanation on xbox scene
QUOTE...Major Nelson and Gamerscoreblog posted reminders today that people who log onto Live using modified consoles are being dealt with. As more and more people pour into the Halo 3 Beta, please take this warning to heart. Using modified content and hacked boxes is against the Terms of Use for Xbox Live and doing so will result in your console being permanently banned from the service. Forever. For all games.

If you get an error message "Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D" it means you are done playing Xbox Live on that console. Congrats.

To all of the upstanding members of the Live community - we salute you and look forward to fun times throughout the Halo 3 Beta and beyond


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We've been speaking to someone who claim's to have some technical insight into the update. His claim's are that the new update gives the dash the ability to dump the eeprom to do crc checks on area's. He said that the instant the update was ran, it was checked and flagged if data was altered. One of the main reasons I believe him is because he mentioned the fact that the 360 now takes about 3 seconds longer to boot. This would definitly be a result of dumping the eeprom and checking. MS will now start rolling 'waves' of bans over the next few weeks, and not all at once. I think they do this for their support staff, publicity, and image.

So, likely, the console was flagged already, and changing wont do anything at this point.


Ah well, just more speculation.

 

[Sekkyumu]

I'm afraid it won't change anything.

I think they have been tracking us and gathering firmware / whatever not legal stuff info for a very long time (before Spring Update).

 

[adgloride]

More speculation. Been reading xbox-scene for about an hour today to see if I could find a pattern. The people that had the hacked firmware and were not banned, then flashed to the original firmware seemed to be banned. When flashing the 360 drive and you have the spring update installed, you need to power on the 360 when flashing the firmware.

At this point I think the 360 detects the dvd drive isn't connected then flags you for a ban. The xtreme firmware 4.2 onwards cannot be read or written to, so microsoft shouldn't be able to read the firmware itself. It also seems to be the people that are playing copied games on live getting banned, if you stick to originals and haven't played copies on it since the spring update you should be fine. Just remember to disconnect the 360 from the internet everytime you play a copy.

If you can use a second xbox 360 that has either been banned already or doesn't have the spring update on, you could use it to flash the drive firmware on another 360 dvd drive. I think you could get away with installing either the original firmware or xtreme 5.3. Those that update to xtreme 5.3 before the spring update don't seem to have any problems. Its probably just a matter of time though.

 

[iza]

shit shit shit!!!
i was about ready to make the decision to flash mine. glad i waited though, i'll see how things unfold.

 

[amptor]

I'm banned.

so much for xbox live, I should've stuck with playing my dinky DS online. microsoft can eat a c0ck.

by the way, this is not media detection, I haven't played any games at all whatsoever from my DVD drive in my 360 since the spring update was released. this more than likely is the system checking the firmware on your drive.

 

[thegame07]

I'm banned.

so much for xbox live, I should've stuck with playing my dinky DS online. microsoft can eat a c0ck.

by the way, this is not media detection, I haven't played any games at all whatsoever from my DVD drive in my 360 since the spring update was released. this more than likely is the system checking the firmware on your drive.

they can shove thier xbox live up thier ass.

 

[iza]

lol... lemme guess, they got you to, huh, thegame? i feel for ya...

 

[bobrules]

If it detects firmware, then can't microsoft brick the firmware?

 

[thegame07]

lol... lemme guess, they got you to, huh, thegame? i feel for ya...

no, however i was going to join soon :'( well not anymore

QUOTEIf it detects firmware, then can't microsoft brick the firmware?

i may be wrong but i think that would be against the law.

 

[iza]

yea. that would be like them maliciously invading your home and hitting it with a sledge hammer. but they have every right to ban... but in most countries backup's arent illegal (as long as it's a backup of a purchased game), it's still frown upon. and it was in the terms of service when you sign up for live.

 

[amptor]

I'm banned.

so much for xbox live, I should've stuck with playing my dinky DS online. microsoft can eat a c0ck.

by the way, this is not media detection, I haven't played any games at all whatsoever from my DVD drive in my 360 since the spring update was released. this more than likely is the system checking the firmware on your drive.


they can shove thier xbox live up thier ass.

not to be racist or anything

 

[OrR]

Yeah, but to be honest... you shouldn't buy into hardware because of it's hackability

I think you should. It's about your rights and possibilities! My DS would be a LOT worse without the amazing homebrew games and software and the ability to try games before I buy them. It wouldn't be worth the money I paid for it because I wouldn't even know about most of the great games.
I'm buying my next phone because it's completely hackable. I refuse to get a phone that is crippled to make me pay for ringtones.

gaming opinion makers

If you mean games reviewers (mags, websites etc)... then no, you would be wrong. They huge majority (99.99%) will have legit hardware/software.

This community is full of opinion makers. The big blogs are a huge factor, and some people there definately run homebrew on their DS. The classic websites and magazines are a lot less important nowadays and especially the magazines don't really have the power to make an opinion anymore.

 

[754boy]

Yeah, but to be honest... you shouldn't buy into hardware because of it's hackability

I think you should. It's about your rights and possibilities! My DS would be a LOT worse without the amazing homebrew games and software and the ability to try games before I buy them. It wouldn't be worth the money I paid for it because I wouldn't even know about most of the great games.
I'm buying my next phone because it's completely hackable. I refuse to get a phone that is crippled to make me pay for ringtones.

I agree with you lol. That why I bought my Dreamcast back then. Games were so easy to copy. That kept me from wasting money on BS games. I bought my DS before flashcarts were created that could play NDS roms but I KNEW that one day, the floodgates would be opened lol.