Maybe I shouldn't have turned off the console display completely in that video-reference...i mean if it is in between 15-30 it is on the og joycons bt lvl but we are talking about a screen cast over wifi? So 60? bit too much, but maybe, just maybe it can be better if we change whining to some support idk
Doesn't matter. In fact it was extremely difficult to notice the difference in rendering speed by eye (internal display vs wireless translation).
Until the recent 4IFIR update, a simple network broadcast on Switch, at best, imposed a 250ms penalty. For active games, this, of course, is unacceptable. Now this is not a problem. And after I transfer this task to a hardware encoder, the quality of the video stream will also increase due to the ability to use a more efficient codec and 1080p resolution.
Of course, this is just a bonus to the main features of 4IFIR... A very nice bonus.
Latency comprassion:
Internal Display vs External Monitor (simple network connection @ direct)
VIDEO
Despite the fact that this is far from a gaming monitor (6K IPS, not even in gaming mode), we see a comparable level of responsiveness not even in comparison with HDMI, but with the console's built-in display! More than suitable for games of any genre, I think.
So far, mode (direct simple network) added 250ms at best on Switch. delay (I know the exact value because I know what caused it). vs 4IFIR ver, the difference is like heaven and earth.
Q. Cooler, why did you choose to show the difference - the game menu?
A. Because this is the most resource-intensive part of the P5R, lol. In addition, here the image changes completely and quickly enough, which is a stressful scenario for the encoder.
Let me remind you that everything works fine - even with the active Governor. For normal operation of wireless streaming, in principle, you do not have to change frequencies. The game practically does not lose performance.
Troll tip:
Play video frame by frame.
Detect an offset of 1-2 frames.
Blame that it's not 0ms.
Call me a liar, and advise everyone to use only the original SysCLK, from the greatest developers in the world.
Complain to the moderator that I took over their thread.
Dress up as a fluffy anthropomorphic dog and run to Discord to brag to your owners.
For a whole month from a fake account, talk about it on a Russian-language forum.
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I downloaded your pack and you're just using SysDVR @Cooler3D @exelix11
https://github.com/exelix11/SysDVR
I even checked the MD5 hashes of the files (SysDVR-conf.nro) and the exefs.nsp located in 00FF0000A53BB665 and they are identical to the current release version of Sys-DVR. The only thing you changed was settings to change the bitrate, FPS recording and bitrate found in system_setting.ini
Please give credit to the authors of things you use instead of passing it off as your own.
https://github.com/exelix11/SysDVR
I even checked the MD5 hashes of the files (SysDVR-conf.nro) and the exefs.nsp located in 00FF0000A53BB665 and they are identical to the current release version of Sys-DVR. The only thing you changed was settings to change the bitrate, FPS recording and bitrate found in system_setting.ini
Please give credit to the authors of things you use instead of passing it off as your own.
Last edited by ChanseyIsTheBest,
His mod is a all in one fully packed with the common know goodies from many Devs...
Maybe the big improvement to sysdvr is not the sysdvr it self but rather on other custom stuff he has in the full mod, no idea...
He also claimed his project is open source but no idea, really wish he could make a new thread here and go by the book making his custom stuff on GitHub all English with all updates and changes logged...
Maybe the big improvement to sysdvr is not the sysdvr it self but rather on other custom stuff he has in the full mod, no idea...
He also claimed his project is open source but no idea, really wish he could make a new thread here and go by the book making his custom stuff on GitHub all English with all updates and changes logged...
At this point it feels like talking to a wall. Those last 3 points are just pure comedy.
No source code has been released for 4IFIR. I have download the most recent full release of his pack. All the sys-dvr files are identical including the compiled binaries meaning there are no modifications to it that could make it run better. He might claim that overclocking helps sys-dvr run it better but it literally makes everything run better.
Unless I see an acknowledgement from the developer of an application that they don't want to be credited they should be credited. Especially when something is being passed on as being developed by someone who didn't make it. Sys-dvr isn't the only thing Cooler3D doesn't credit either. There's way more homebrew including Fizeau, DBI, daybreak, AIO-switch updater, HB appstore, telsla menu, and many, many others including atmosphere itself that are not given credit.
The fancy sys-clk in Cooler3D's 4IFIR with all its features is just a modified version of this https://github.com/KazushiMe/Switch-OC-Suite which Cooler3D just edited values and voltages and at least KazushiMe has the decency of crediting the original sys-clk which it is a modified version of. And I shouldn't even bring up that fact that the sys-clk in Switch OC Suite by KazhushiMe which is licensed under GPL v2 to require have the source code available upon request.
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I haven't really checked much his project in the russian forum but here he said he still thanked
Anyway he might have given credits, I haven't fully checked his original post on the Russian forum but related to sysclock he claimed here:
From what I could understand from his replies to me here, he made changes in probably a lot of stuff for better performance than just having to do with OC timmings\voltage\clocks as he said that even using stock clocks on Erista I would still benefit from better performance due to his others optimisations (I really wanted to know is what are them exactly).
And this is the part he claimed it to be open source:
What I meant was that the other stuff he modded might has to do with the improvements, maybe he optimised the switch connectivity on other completely different part than the sysdvr...
Anyway he might have given credits, I haven't fully checked his original post on the Russian forum but related to sysclock he claimed here:
From what I could understand from his replies to me here, he made changes in probably a lot of stuff for better performance than just having to do with OC timmings\voltage\clocks as he said that even using stock clocks on Erista I would still benefit from better performance due to his others optimisations (I really wanted to know is what are them exactly).
And this is the part he claimed it to be open source:
I'm not going to search for it in the russian forum anyway but he did claimed that here...
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Where ever he uploads a link to a download of his pack there should be credits. I have also checked the Russian forums and there are no credits either. Unless he has changed parts of atmosphere and recompiled it (which I seriously doubt) no switch wireless connectivity performance should have been modified.
All the better performance is from OC timings\voltage\clocks. The only other thing you could argue that might give better performance is him disabling online notifications and friend list and similar stuff which is in system_settings.ini but you can do that already in atmosphere yourself.
I wouldn't believe the 2% unless he gives source code for 4IFIR.
That's why I'm gonna wait for him to start fresh again and go by the book before trying.
What I mean is a new thread here on GBA (not mandatory) and a official all English GitHub with all credits and everything he changed (mandatory)...
Ps: I don't doubt he could have optimised something on atmosphere either since the source code is there for any dev, but I definitely wont be comparing every file to see if he made any change my self, hope he explained exactly everything he did for the better performance
What I mean is a new thread here on GBA (not mandatory) and a official all English GitHub with all credits and everything he changed (mandatory)...
Ps: I don't doubt he could have optimised something on atmosphere either since the source code is there for any dev, but I definitely wont be comparing every file to see if he made any change my self, hope he explained exactly everything he did for the better performance
He mentioned numerous times on 4PDA that atmosphere is “heavily modified“ and source code of his project is also availiable upon request, he also saying that almost everything that he do is modifying other people‘s stuff, never claiming any code in 4ifir is fully his development. It would be great if no one attacked him on gbatemp so he could tell you about this himself during the year of silence here. Don’t be too harsh on him.
It's pretty obvious that in the very thread he was passing off sys-dvr as his own creation in this very thread. No where in post #1221 where he talked about streaming functions did he mention the author of sys-dvr (exelix11). Even if he has mentioned that he has used other peoples homebrew he has repeatedly failed to provide FULL credits and names for ALL homebrew included in 4IFIR that he didn't develop. Just saying some people vaguely worked on some stuff is not good enough. I don't care if the credits are on 4PDA there aren't here and they aren't provided with the download either. Pointing out that proper credits and source code isn't available under the license isn't attacking is valid and legitimate criticism. @Cooler3D Post the source code in a zip for everything in 4IFIR (all homebrew and atmosphere) in this thread as a response to my post and not precompiled binaries as you are obligated to do. I'm sure you'd be pissed off if someone took your pack, renamed it and passed it off as there own with no credit like you have done to homebrew included in your pack. I doubt the atmosphere included is heavily modified, you've just changed stuff in system_settings.ini and included homebrew you got from various sources. Post the full source code and prove me wrong.
As I said in previous message Cooler claimed that he did not fully developed anything from the ground up, which means you literally can google any homebrew or component in 4ifir and instantly get to the author of its creation, there will be no other leads to anyone but the authors of the original components. He will credit them when he will decide to and you can even shit your pants patiently waiting for it out of your stupid stubbornness or use this great synergy of components and provide actual feedback instead of bitching over some licenses.
When you put your work out in the internet be ready that someone will be actually using it, modifying or even improving.
This is good and this is what I want and what is required and I have no idea before why this wasn't linked to. The credits are all over the god damn place and really should be in a long simple list and some things aren't credited like AIO Updater but this is genuinely good @Cooler3D. If you link to this with every download and improve the credits there's no issue with your pack. You could re-open your closed GBATemp thread by asking the mods. When you advertise a new feature like in post #1221 you need to deliberately say who made it originally (sys-dvr) because otherwise it comes off like you made it.
I am not blindly hating on your project I do believe there is merit in making an easy to use complete pack of homebrew for users and you are providing something that others aren't but you aren't infallible and do make mistakes like not crediting and you treat other people poorly especially the people who made sys-clk in the first place.
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This is really good constructive feedback.
Credit and source go a long way and I shared the same concerns when this pack was initially published.
I also share the same hope that with transparency we can get beyond the bickering and move on to the merit of the pack itself and through discourse make the pack even better.
Great fucking post man!
Finally, the time has come. This thread is starting to look like the old 4IFIR thread, which was so corrupted by raids from the Retro Discord that it became impossible to be in it without a spacesuit. Too toxic.
So the first developer came with claims? More precisely, not a developer, but the author of a repository with cheats, which even the authors of AIO did not bother to mention in their application. I would mention you, but I don't even know who you are, not a word about you in AIO. I am so sorry.
Second. Are mentions of authors very important to you? Well, I didn’t erase any of the authors. All authors can be found mentioned in the corresponding sections of the complete applications. Including, oddly enough, about RetroNX. Moreover, I did not include myself in the authors ANYWHERE. Do you know why? Because I don't care about fame. I do not accept donations, and almost daily refuse sponsorship through Patreon. Unlike the hypocrites who are hungry for fame, 4IFIR was developed by a selfless person. Developed for ordinary users. Just because I somehow can help them.
I will not even remind you that the source code of 4IFIR is available to everyone, this is already well known. I will not remind you that 4IFIR is built on the basis of projects and developments of hundreds of wonderful people. I have already said this hundreds of times. I will not remind you that 4IFIR was released long before the release of the project from the respected KazushiMe. He's a great dude and I learned a lot from him in the end.
Instead, I have an offer for you. Since you mentioned the word "credit" dozens of times in two days, this is probably very important for you. Do you want me to list you as the sole author of everything I've done? This place is empty, I did not enter myself there. 4IFIR by ChanseyIsTheBest. You'll be happy?
I have one more offer for you. Do you doubt that I did something other than change the values of some variables? You know, I like it. Let's agree that I am...
... and all of breakthrough, unique features from 4IFIR, which no other project has even come close to, considering it unattainable - we will attribute it to my Waaagh! psychofield. "They work because I believe it should."?
OK? Not? It doesn't matter, I didn't ask for your opinion anyway.
Three times the performance per watt for free already included in 4IFIR, just take and enjoy! And soon 90Hz, and many other super-properties.
Did I already say that display overclocking is possible even for ERISTA?
Stay with me, 4IFIR will make you think many more times: "OMG! Could it be like that?! How this even possible?!"
yes, it’s extremely important to me as well as the authors themselves. They do this for free for all of us and are deserving of that small piece of respect. Even if they otherwise behave like savage beasts, they deserve the credit for their work. @ChanseyIsTheBest is not asking for credit for himself.
None of those folks are currently taking part in the thread so let’s keep it at that and leave the tilting at windmills to Don Quixote.
Okay, I don't mind. In fact, I had been planning to do this for a long time, but did not attach much importance to it. I don't need fame. I will add a section indicating the authors whose works formed the basis of the project. I have no reason not to respect their work. Even if we are talking about the morons from the Retro Discord.
Where to add this section... The header is not editable here. My thread has been frozen. On 4PDA? No problem.
By the way, I'm actually doing a favor to the authors of the thread. It has long been overgrown with cobwebs, and few people needed it. Now it's back to the healthy, toxic atmosphere they like.
Don Quixote fought the windmills, I have no one to fight. I just came and took the thread that the scoundrels have been using for a long time to tell people made-up nasty things about me. The goal was to take that opportunity away from them, and I achieved it just by showing up here. I don't really need their apologies, they need them more.
By the way, about 4IFIR. I have already mentioned that the console on 4IFIR, in sleep mode, is twice as autonomous vs stock, and even more so than with the classic SysСloac from UrethraNX fornicators?
Last edited by Cooler3D,
Everyone here is offering an olive branch to you. We hope you will accept it and we can move forward.
Perhaps you can start a new thread w/ links to the final product, the source, and everything that was once complained about. That will take away the tangential complaints used to attack you and leave nothing to discuss but the merits of the code and the package itself.
peace is good for everyone.
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