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Running NeoGeo games on o3ds running CFW.

I was looking for a way to run NeoGeo games on my o3ds, and with Retroarch the games ran terrible, about 20 fps was the most i could get. I found out that using NeoDS, the DS NeoGeo emulator, you can play most games at a stable 60 fps.

For the purpose of this guide I will be using TWLoader, but any other way that lets you run DS homebrew should work. I've only tested it on my a9lh o3DSXl, running Luma 6.6, firm 11.2.

*Note: this guide is heavily based on this guide, which was used for use with a DS flashcart. I wanted to use it without a flashcart, and that's why i made this guide.

1. Download TWLoader and unzip it. Copy the .cia and the contents of sdroot to the root of your sd card.

2. Install TWLoader.cia, and under _nds/twloader/cia install TWlapp.cia using FBI or any other CIA installer.

3. Download NeoDS and uzip it. Copy NeoDs.nds to the nds folder (not _nds) and create a new folder on the root of your SD card with the name neogeo. Copy the contents of the NeoDS folder inside the archive to it, except the NeoDsConvert folder and the readme file. Copy NeoDsConvert to your pc.

4. Now we need to convert your NeoGeo roms. First we need a NeoGeo bios file. For legal reasons i cant provide it here. it should be named neogeo.zip and contain a few files. Copy the zip to NeoDsConvert on your pc, but don't unzip it.

5. Now we need a ROM file. Get your rom as MAME rom, and copy it to NeoDsConvert. For example, Metal Slug will be mslug.zip.
Open the zip, and check if all of the files are .bin. If not, we need to change that. Unzip the file, change the extension and zip it back with the same name, make sure its a zip and not a rar/7zip or any other file.
*If you're planning on playing only one or two roms manually changing them is fine, but annoying. I've used Extension Changer which lets you change all of the files at once, by dragging and dropping the folder on to the window.

6. Run NeoDsConvert.exe, and you should see a Command window come up and when its done two new files will appear in your folder, and the extension .neo. That means it finished and everything worked. If we continue with the Metal Slug example, it will be now called mslug.neo

7. Copy the Converted rom onto the root of your SD card, run TWLoader and launch NeoDS. Choose the game from the list and press start to run it. The game should now run, enjoy!

Please note, I've tested a few games and they all seem to work very well aside from a few very minor graphical glitches. This seems to be a limitation of the emulator, but it still works better than the Retroarch one.
 
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Can anyone check samurai shodown 4 and 5 special? The game's does indeed run in 60 fps but with SERIOUS graphical glitches (not occures when launching through r4 though). I'm still just a bit uncertain, maybe I've done something wrong.
 

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As I checked other games they seem to be all f&&*@ up. These are serious graphical glitches which makes use of this pointless.
 

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As I checked other games they seem to be all f&&*@ up. These are serious graphical glitches which makes use of this pointless.
That happens if TWLoader boots the games with TWL speed (133mhz).
Change it to NTR speed (67mhz) in the TWLoader settings and this will fix the graphical errors.

I'm surprised there isn't a Neo Geo emulator worth using for the 3DS though. NeoDS is alright, but it's limited to 256x192 resolution where the 3DS could make good use of its 400x240 resolution.
 

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Switching to 133 Mhz was the whole point for me to run Samsho at full speed. At 67 Mhz they run about 45 frames with no glitches which is the same as If I did used r4 instead. Sadly
 

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Yeah sadly this is a flaw, but i haven't experienced that much of graphical issues. Mostly i just saw a punch doubled or something like that.
There is a retroarch core for neogeo, but it works terrible on o3ds (worse than the 67mhz, really), didnt have the chance to check n3ds.
 

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I was looking for a way to run NeoGeo games on my o3ds, and with Retroarch the games ran terrible, about 20 fps was the most i could get. I found out that using NeoDS, the DS NeoGeo emulator, you can play most games at a stable 60 fps.

For the purpose of this guide I will be using TWLoader, but any other way that lets you run DS homebrew should work. I've only tested it on my a9lh o3DSXl, running Luma 6.6, firm 11.2.

*Note: this guide is heavily based on this guide, which was used for use with a DS flashcart. I wanted to use it without a flashcart, and that's why i made this guide.

1. Download TWLoader and unzip it. Copy the .cia and the contents of sdroot to the root of your sd card.

2. Install TWLoader.cia, and under _nds/twloader/cia install TWlapp.cia using FBI or any other CIA installer.

3. Download NeoDS and uzip it. Copy NeoDs.nds to the nds folder (not _nds) and create a new folder on the root of your SD card with the name neogeo. Copy the contents of the NeoDS folder inside the archive to it, except the NeoDsConvert folder and the readme file. Copy NeoDsConvert to your pc.

4. Now we need to convert your NeoGeo roms. First we need a NeoGeo bios file. For legal reasons i cant provide it here. it should be named neogeo.zip and contain a few files. Copy the zip to NeoDsConvert on your pc, but don't unzip it.

5. Now we need a ROM file. Get your rom as MAME rom, and copy it to NeoDsConvert. For example, Metal Slug will be mslug.zip.
Open the zip, and check if all of the files are .bin. If not, we need to change that. Unzip the file, change the extension and zip it back with the same name, make sure its a zip and not a rar/7zip or any other file.
*If you're planning on playing only one or two roms manually changing them is fine, but annoying. I've used Extension Changer which lets you change all of the files at once, by dragging and dropping the folder on to the window.

6. Run NeoDsConvert.exe, and you should see a Command window come up and when its done two new files will appear in your folder, and the extension .neo. That means it finished and everything worked. If we continue with the Metal Slug example, it will be now called mslug.neo

7. Copy the Converted rom onto the root of your SD card, run TWLoader and launch NeoDS. Choose the game from the list and press start to run it. The game should now run, enjoy!

Please note, I've tested a few games and they all seem to work very well aside from a few very minor graphical glitches. This seems to be a limitation of the emulator, but it still works better than the Retroarch one.

Hello,i'm having some problems with NeoDsConverter,in details,when i try to convert ROMs and BIOS NeoDsConverter.exe don't work,appear the Command Windows But when the window closes automatically converted file doesn't appear,how i can resolve this problem?Thank you
 

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Hello,i'm having some problems with NeoDsConverter,in details,when i try to convert ROMs and BIOS NeoDsConverter.exe don't work,appear the Command Windows But when the window closes automatically converted file doesn't appear,how i can resolve this problem?Thank you
Try running it using CMD instead, look at the log and see what error you're getting. When i had that problem it was because the files weren't .bin. Check if the files are .bin files and not something else.
 
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Try running it using CMD instead, look at the log and see what error you're getting. When i had that problem it was because the files weren't .bin. Check if the files are .bin files and not something else.

Tried to run it with CMD (i'm not sure i did it correctly,normally i don't use it) when i try to execute the program he will give me "access denied" (tried with administrator permission).

I must copy ROMs files in the same folder of converter then execute the program right?(i did like this)
Yes,my rom file is originally .rom,i renamed it with .bin.
 

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Tried to run it with CMD (i'm not sure i did it correctly,normally i don't use it) when i try to execute the program he will give me "access denied" (tried with administrator permission).

I must copy ROMs files in the same folder of converter then execute the program right?(i did like this)
Yes,my rom file is originally .rom,i renamed it with .bin.
Very odd, maybe try with another computer if you can. Also check for any anti-virus software, and see if the file was blocked in windows.
Make sure that when you rezip it, its a zip file.
 
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Very odd, maybe try with another computer if you can. Also check for any anti-virus software, and see if the file was blocked in windows.
Make sure that when you rezip it, its a zip file.

One Detail,i didn't unzipped files to renamed it,i renamed it directly in the zip with Winrar,Can it be a problem?
 

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Well to be honest i dont know. I would try to extract it first and then zip it, just to be on the safe side

Nothing,i tried to unzip files,rename it and then zipped with the same name,tried to download NeoDsConvert on another PC and with the same zip tried to follow steps,but no one archive .neo appear,seems be the exe is broken o thing like that :unsure:
 

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Nothing,i tried to unzip files,rename it and then zipped with the same name,tried to download NeoDsConvert on another PC and with the same zip tried to follow steps,but no one archive .neo appear,seems be the exe is broken o thing like that :unsure:

I'm having your same problem :(
I don't even know what to do, I made the files.bin and executed NeoDsConvert but nothing happened
Where do I have to execute it?
Could it be the bios?
 
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