Hacking Hack SXOS

[raging_chaos]

PiRAcY lol NSZ, NSP and all those installers + sigpatches enable piracy, those arguments are so invalid.

It has to do with the way SX implemented gamecard spoofing by using stolen Nintendo code. Doing it that way is asking to get under Nintendo's radar, nothing piracy related is included with Atmosphere and that's what keeps it out of trouble. Let's not forget sigpatches have come under fire from Nintendo recently as well.

 

[guily6669]

But again it's nothing to do with SciresM or atmosphere but rather dev named "XXX" making a custom module or something else that we put into atmosphere to do that...

It's like go hack a tesla, have full control of the car = IT'S FINE, make it run a game loading from a USB pen drive = 100 SWAT guys are waiting for you in 10 seconds LOL.

Oh and installing "pirated" games from USB is all fine too, the problem seems really to load games from USB installed in whatever that automatically make 100SWAT guys to show up right away

 

[Hayato213]

I'ts not SciresM that I'm talking about neither anything official to do with atmosphere.

YEP, that's exactly what I'm talking, many devs did things from A to Z why something to just load from USB to add to atmosphere seems to be even more illegal than hacking the whole console and run pirated content lol...

EDIT: Forgot to say that it seems to be even worse than now someone releasing an exploit that would run on all switches and latest firmware and all we needed was to press a button and bam it's all hacked, but loading from USB = NOP it's like 10x worse than that

If you want xci mounting then hunt down people that have sx os on firmware 11.0.0 and below. Like @The Catboy said no one would do it because of legal problem

 

[guily6669]

If you want xci mounting then hunt down people that have sx os on firmware 11.0.0 and below. Like @The Catboy said no one would do it because of legal problem

Is it more illegal than hosting all nintendo games for download? Cause there sure is many servers doing that...

Also you can make such thing, upload it somewhere using a random non used smartphone in a random coffee wifi that can even be on another whole different country that has no cameras and then even destroy the phone if that's as bad as killing someone

 

[Hayato213]

Is it more illegal than hosting all nintendo games for download? Cause there sure is many servers doing that...

Also you can make such thing, upload it somewhere using a random non used smartphone in a random coffee wifi that can even be on another whole different country that has no cameras and then even destroy the phone if that's as bad as killing someone

Nintendo do go after site that host rom, so it is not like it is not illegal but people still do it. SciresM doesn't support piracy and he doesn't even included the sig patches with the atmosphere files, even though Reisyukaku does support it, but ReiNX been dead like SX OS. Accessing and mounting usb drive is one thing than mounting XCI, Xortroll did work on fsp-usb before he archive the project.

Like I said before you want SX OS, then hunt for a unit that has SX OS License and below 11.0.0.

 

[linuxares]

It's possible to do XCI loading with help of redirecting the read of the card reader. Even making a legal version that doesn't touch the cart firmware, but no one wanna poke the hornets nest. XCI are only used for piracy (No, shut up. No argument we can use it for other as well, it only used for piracy so far...) so no homebrewer wanna make it.

 

[guily6669]

Nintendo do go after site that host rom, so it is not like it is not illegal but people still do it. SciresM doesn't support piracy and he doesn't even included the sig patches with the atmosphere files, even though Reisyukaku does support it, but ReiNX been dead like SX OS. Accessing and mounting usb drive is one thing than mounting XCI, Xortroll did work on fsp-usb before he archive the project.

Like I said before you want SX OS, then hunt for a unit that has SX OS License and below 11.0.0.

I have SX OS and FW 11, I never even tried atmosphere yet, only installed it a few days ago on a friend with a Mariko and a chip...

I barely used my switch, it's on FW 3. something, it's been years to even remember and with emunand on 11, I probably used it like 200 hours since I got the switch many years ago.

I'm planning to try atmosphere some day but don't even know what tutorial is the most updated and I really hate how GBA Temp is nowadays, I was here more when the forum of switch was partitioned in different sections and now all I sell is a HUGE randomware number of threads all-in-one grrrrr

...XCI are only used for piracy (No, shut up. No argument we can use it for other as well, it only used for piracy so far...) so no homebrewer wanna make it.

Yeah but what about sigpatches and downloading a game from WWW and installing it with tinfoil or any other similar stuff, doesn't it fall it the same exact category as "installing" the game on a 4TB HDD, connecting it to the switch and they magically showing up in the main menu ready to play???

I mean it could probably even be done without the XCI format but rather something really installed somewhere else on the USB and something modified to tell in the atmosphere OS that app\game xxx is installed on "X" location or something like that...

Even on a homebrew perspective imagine if someone had a custom module that we add to atmosphere that tells to load stuff from "X" location and that location being on USB...

 

[raging_chaos]

But again it's nothing to do with SciresM or atmosphere but rather dev named "XXX" making a custom module or something else that we put into atmosphere to do that...

Then that "XXXX" dev would be the one in hot water and would get in serious legal trouble just as SXOS did for using XCI files. The next point one could make is that it could be released anonymously, but if you can't get any clout online or make a profit off it then what motivation would they have in sharing it with the public? Making a handful of pirates happy isn't worth the hassle, it's easier to convince them to buy bigger/multiple SD cards.

Anyone that has actually loaded XCI games over USB also knows how slow the loading process can be, especially if using large game XCI files. Then there's the hassle of having to remake the XCI file anytime an update or DLC is released. HDD support is worth it for shovelware and small games, anything that gets regular updates is better off being installed onto the SD card.

Is it more illegal than hosting all nintendo games for download? Cause there sure is many servers doing that...

Depends on which country those files are being hosted in. Some countries could care less about piracy and encourage their citizens to take anything their own country doesn't produce. Others just turn a blind eye to it because they have no reason to enforce another country's copyrights unless similar laws and agreements exist there.

 

[guily6669]

Read above cause I added more info at the bottom... instead of XCI something to modify atmosphere instead to say apps\games XXX are installed on USB.

And reading USB surely is not a problem since there's apps that can install games from USB too...

 

[raging_chaos]

The only benefit of doing that would be to facilitate using mass storage for piracy. Anything that makes a pirate happy is going to come under fire from Nintendo, no matter how big or small it is. Then there's the other side of it that, SciresM the Atmosphere dev wants nothing to do with piracy whatsoever and is vehemently against it.

Consider this: if you installed a game to USB your Switch would have to remain docked in order to play it. Trying to lug around an HDD while in portable mode is not just cumbersome but battery-draining as well. That's when you start asking yourself if it was really worth the hassle you're going through vs just buying a bigger SD card.

One can argue mechanical HDD storage is cheap but once you drop it while fumbling around in portable mode you're f*cked. You could use an SSD but by that point you're starting to approach SD card prices. SD cards have dropped in price over the last few years and will continue to drop while getting bigger when it comes to capacity.

 

[guily6669]

......Consider this: if you installed a game to USB your Switch would have to remain docked in order to play it. Trying to lug around an HDD while in portable mode is not just cumbersome but battery-draining as well....

But that's exactly probably the biggest reason ppl want the feature of installing to USB...

I my self actually don't care a single bit for USB loading cause since I got the console many years ago I didn't even took the crap dock out of the box, never tried my switch a single time docked and don't even care for it cause it's way too weak for my standard for something to be used on my 4K TV, hell even my PS4 Pro is mostly picking up dust for years and I played only GT7 when it released and finished it fast, it's been mostly OFF since then...

But I have a friend that has many 4TB HDD's and 1x 8TB HDD that he uses on Switch, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X, PS4, PC...

I will eventually install atmosphere on his switch but he doesn't like it a single bit to lose the HDD game stuff, he is already beyond pissed with his PS5 not even being able to load anything not even from a external SSD much less HDD

But I can't deny it's still a cool thing to like go OTG put a USB pen drive and just be able to test some random game or whatever on the switch portable though I never did such thing, but I totally at least used OTG to install games thought that's a whole different thing...

 

[raging_chaos]

I will eventually install atmosphere on his switch but he doesn't like it a single bit to lose the HDD game stuff, he is already beyond pissed with his PS5 not even being able to load anything not even from a external SSD much less HDD

Nothing will stop any of his existing games from working as long as he never updates his sysnand to anything higher than 11.0.0 if he's using a Mariko (patched Erista's w/ SX Core are unaffected). By installing Atmosphere he's gaining the ability to run newer games, there really is no downside.

It's a bit inconvenient having to pick and set up a dual boot method (especially so on Mariko), but once it's done it's smooth sailing because you're only installing newer games. The list of must-play titles that have been released since 11.0.0 isn't very large.

 

[guily6669]

He doesn't want dual boot and he uses sysnand 100% clean updated for online all original with a clean mSD and he boots SX OS with emunand as files on FW11.0 with a mSD just for it... (It's a unpatched Erista like mine).

Me it's a different story, sysnand is in whatever 3. something that came from factory and never went online, I never even connected SXOS to wifi even though it's set to block nintendo IP's but I don't care a single bit as I always installed games super fast either by using my USB 3.0 card reader or use the USB-C OTG with my crap USB 3.0 pen drive to install stuff...

 

[raging_chaos]

He doesn't want dual boot and he uses sysnand 100% clean updated for online all original with a clean mSD and he boots SX OS with emunand as files on FW11.0 with a mSD just for it... (It's a unpatched Erista like mine).

That really is a shame because an unpatched Erista can do so many things and it can never be patched by Nintendo. There are handful of guides that can walk people through dual booting while reducing the emunand partition sizes for both Atmosphere and SX (for example my SX partition is 4GB, that's more than big enough to store all the saves for the games I play off HDD and my Atmosphere partition is 8GB, both on the same card and combined are smaller than the default 32GB just one normal emunand would take up). There's also stuff like booting into Android and Lakka.

What is the specific hang-up he has with dual booting? He doesn't want to have to tap the screen to pick what he wants to boot into when booting up the Switch? There's homebrew that can be used to swap between SX and Atmosphere if that's the case. Perhaps if you set yours up it might convince him it's a worthwhile endeavor to do his the same way once he sees it in action.

 

[guily6669]

I know there is that cause I followed switch hacking since before being possible to hack and my switch stayed in the closet many time waiting for the hack from the "girl" that released Fusee and despite I never tried atmosphere on my own switch yet cause I don't use it, I followed all the progress of android, linux, dual boot, custom paylods from SX OS or hekate or whatever, transferring SX OS emunand to atmosphere and all of that...

I also customized my joy-con with a on/off switch and did the same to this friend all free-of-charge...

But I'm almost sure my friend will want a single OS, autoboot straight into it and just want it updated to install all the latest stuff and run anything in it and leave it indefinitely ON while docked, but he is definitely pissed for not having the USB game loading and no XCI mounting on atmosphere or else he would probably be pissing me off daily to install atmosphere on his switch

I'm sure he could totally use dual boot fine since he even went further than me testing all sorts of stuff on SXOS including emulators which I never bothered my self, but I'm still sure he will want just one OS that he sends the payload and boots straight into it and have all his progress on a single place.

EDIT: Also just the fact that I told him he will probably have to reinstall most or all games again on atmosphere already made him pissed off LOL (I will probably eventually do him a full clean install with atmosphere emunand some day and not even convert his current one, FRESH START like he knows that's the best and true only option on windows computers)

 

[raging_chaos]

but I'm still sure he will want just one OS that he sends the payload and boots straight into it.

Booting into one default CFW upon powering on is still an option. One way of doing it is you set up the Tesla overlay menu in both SXOS and Atmosphere and use it to load the other CFW, all it would require is for him to add the Atmosphere files to his SX SD card. There's also the built-in option in Tinfoil that lets you boot into Atmosphere's payload. Both methods work while docked, with no screen tapping involved.

It does suck not being able to use the HDD the way he's been used to but everyone quickly gets over it once you start playing newer games.

EDIT: Also just the fact that I told him he will probably have to reinstall most or all games again on atmosphere already made him pissed off LOL (I will probably eventually do him a full clean install with atmosphere emunand some day and not even convert his current one, FRESH START like he knows that's the best and true only option on windows computers)

I just saw that edit, he won't have to reinstall any games. He can leave the SX files as is. Atmosphere would only be used for newer games and it would use its own emunand files/partition completely seperate from SXOS (partition-based emunands are less susceptible to corruption). It would be like having three Switches in one, Official/SX/Atmosphere.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

My sysnand is on 11.0.1 somehow

Didn't SXOS stop working on 11.0? Or will it boot in 11.0.1?

I miss SXOS, bros.

 

[DaFixer]

My sysnand is on 11.0.1 somehow

Didn't SXOS stop working on 11.0? Or will it boot in 11.0.1?

I miss SXOS, bros.

Just make the switch to AMS

 

[binkinator]

My sysnand is on 11.0.1 somehow

Didn't SXOS stop working on 11.0? Or will it boot in 11.0.1?

I miss SXOS, bros.

Yes, SXOS stopped at 11.0.0. You can swap out some BK partitions and change what is reported in the GUI to make it say 11.0.1, however it’s still 11.0.0 as far as the actual FW that runs the games underneath. Dual boot AMS and live the good life.

 

[Reploid]

I miss SXOS, bros.

Memories melt in the morning light, and then, a new day begins. Roads stretch out before us. So many paths. Which do you choose? That's up to you. Sometimes, you might run astray. You'll stop, maybe cry in frustration. But, you know, that's all right. For the roads... They go on without end. So look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon... And just... walk on.