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Hello
So recently, my sistra asked on facebook for opinion about independant ISPs
Teksavvy came a couple of time, saying it was very good
I'd like to have the opinion of Tempers as well please
If you know any other good and cheap independant ISP in Canada
Don't hesitate to tell it there
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I don't know specifics for Canada but wherever I have been I generally find you get two sorts. This normally follows a period where ISPs are broken up or forced to allow others to compete (a quick search says 2015 this happened here). It is very rare an independent ISP will own any infrastructure* which means they rent from other people. There are some times where you find a given town for whatever reason has a different type of internet (usually someone forgot to buy up a local telecoms company when the monopolies were being formed).

*if they do it will tend to be a 3g, satellite or similar provider which is as good as nothing unless you really are that far out in the sticks. Cables in the ground or on poles tend to be limited to a few different people.

Anyway the two sorts are cheap and cheerful and actually technically capable.

Cheap and cheerful do some maths, figure if they can rent/buy bandwidth at a given price that if they can get so many customers cheap then they can make a profit. They will then tend to cram as many people onto a connection as possible, buy the cheapest tech support they can get away with before their customers revolt en mass... anything to gain a few extra cents really. This usually means their connections will lag during popular times, probably be slower than advertised, problems might not get fixed as quickly and such but they will be cheap which is all some people want. You might see these advertise on TV from time to time.

Technically capable are often quite nice, if a bit expensive. They often do things you actually want like static IPs (and will be recognised as such), will not tend to block ports so you can happily run your own servers, don't tend to mess with peer to peer too much, often don't have crowded connections, will tend to be fairly accurate about the speeds they say you will get, have tech support that know something... You will rarely see these advertise on TV.
They also tend to rent or have limited infrastructure but will play to it.
I quite like these for when someone wants a solid connection but does not want to pay business rates, much less rates where there is a proper service level agreement (SLA) in play.

I see Canada is also one of those backwater places where usage caps are not a memory, and it seems independents claim the ability to do unlimited where the big boys might not so there is also that.

As neither have any infrastructure they can go pop and fold in very short order, sometimes they will be bought out beforehand so you get shuffled onto someone else but other times you will be left arranging for a new ISP.

What each have as far as extra functions -- email, web hosting, storage, newsgroup access... will vary but nobody should be using those anyway. Similarly not many will tend to bundle a TV, internet streaming service or phone deal worth having like some of the big boys might. Exception to this is some of the technically capable people often do a very nice VOIP connection/package, though those will be more useful for businesses which need a lot of phone lines and complicated phone setups but maybe without wanting to buy in the hardware.
 
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I don't know specifics for Canada but wherever I have been I generally find you get two sorts. This normally follows a period where ISPs are broken up or forced to allow others to compete (a quick search says 2015 this happened here). It is very rare an independent ISP will own any infrastructure* which means they rent from other people. There are some times where you find a given town for whatever reason has a different type of internet (usually someone forgot to buy up a local telecoms company when the monopolies were being formed).

*if they do it will tend to be a 3g, satellite or similar provider which is as good as nothing unless you really are that far out in the sticks. Cables in the ground or on poles tend to be limited to a few different people.

Anyway the two sorts are cheap and cheerful and actually technically capable.

Cheap and cheerful do some maths, figure if they can rent/buy bandwidth at a given price that if they can get so many customers cheap then they can make a profit. They will then tend to cram as many people onto a connection as possible, buy the cheapest tech support they can get away with before their customers revolt en mass... anything to gain a few extra cents really. This usually means their connections will lag during popular times, probably be slower than advertised, problems might not get fixed as quickly and such but they will be cheap which is all some people want. You might see these advertise on TV from time to time.

Technically capable are often quite nice, if a bit expensive. They often do things you actually want like static IPs (and will be recognised as such), will not tend to block ports so you can happily run your own servers, don't tend to mess with peer to peer too much, often don't have crowded connections, will tend to be fairly accurate about the speeds they say you will get, have tech support that know something... You will rarely see these advertise on TV.
They also tend to rent or have limited infrastructure but will play to it.
I quite like these for when someone wants a solid connection but does not want to pay business rates, much less rates where there is a proper service level agreement (SLA) in play.

I see Canada is also one of those backwater places where usage caps are not a memory, and it seems independents claim the ability to do unlimited where the big boys might not so there is also that.

As neither have any infrastructure they can go pop and fold in very short order, sometimes they will be bought out beforehand so you get shuffled onto someone else but other times you will be left arranging for a new ISP.

What each have as far as extra functions -- email, web hosting, storage, newsgroup access... will vary but nobody should be using those anyway. Similarly not many will tend to bundle a TV, internet streaming service or phone deal worth having like some of the big boys might. Exception to this is some of the technically capable people often do a very nice VOIP connection/package, though those will be more useful for businesses which need a lot of phone lines and complicated phone setups but maybe without wanting to buy in the hardware.
Ok... so if i got it right
Going for independant isp gives me no guarentee of quality internet
Right?
 

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Ok... so if i got it right
Going for independant isp gives me no guarentee of quality internet
Right?
Unless you are going to pay through the nose for a business or SLA line, possibly a couple of them from different providers to ensure some measure of redundancy (basically all the things big companies will do if they need internet and 5 hours offline might well cost them the business), then nowhere in the world are you really guaranteed good internet.

My experience with cheap ISPs (in the UK this would mainly be one called talktalk) often leaves me wanting to murder people, but as I said they are cheap and if you replace the router with a real one you will get enough internet to check your emails, browse some forums and maybe watch a video or two in lower quality, which does some people just fine. If there is an issue you will be forced to talk through a script with some Indian fellow whose relative IT skills to the little old lady across the way are miniscule, probably only to get cut off and do it all over again (I don't know where cheap French call centres are located these days, possibly somewhere in Africa) and it to get resolved in some 48 hours.

My experience with the technical ones everywhere I have been has been good. They are usually run by people in the country/area that know what they are doing (I only call ISPs normally if I am leaving them or they messed something up, and even then it is only as a last resort), they offer services I care about (not just bad streaming sports, ineffective anti virus and a porn blocker like most bad ones), give you what they advertise and are generally good to deal with. They cost a bit more per month (not a lot over the two big companies that own all the fibre/cable/telephone lines but something, and far more than the cheapo options). I have occasionally run proper servers off these, and as mentioned fairly often get them in for small businesses. Bonus is you can often only give them 30 days notice to cancel as well (do check) compared to the 18 months many big ISPs will lock you in for but as you are apparently all weird in Canada and have a nationwide moving day that is probably not such an issue.
 

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