1. Deleted User

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    Just curious what's everyone's opinion on whether you'll take it or not.

    Personally, I won't. I simply don't trust vaccines or drugs in general so I try to only use as little as possible. It's not good to get addicted to drugs as everyone knows.

    Plus, I'm healthy so I don't want to risk being affected (mentally or physically) by a drug (side effects).

    P.S. Please be respectful to each other (I know how these discussions can get "spicy"). This isn't meant to be political, but part of your real life.

    Regards.
     
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    https://gbatemp.net/threads/what-is-your-opinion-on-coronavirus-vaccines.573259/page-4#post-9191303

    A little ? A little or big are the same thing. For an example... A glass of shot and a can of beer. Which one will cause you to drunk ? Both. No matter what. The same for vaccine, if you want a little bit. Its no good as well. For me.. NONE!

    My comment was mentioned there but I will said it again here:

    I don't used Vaccine for flu either.. No flu vaccine for 12 years and no sick for 12 years also. Flu vaccine isn't safe. When I got flu vaccine and I got sick sometimes so I decided to stop 12 years ago and 12 years today, never got sick. I always wash my hands, and don't social in the stores. I always walk away from then and wash hands every time I touch things in any stores. I am talking about flu stuff that they touch in the stores. Stores, train, bus, and airports are full of germ. Hand wash with soap (without soap won't help!). I have seen many people don't wash or don't wash properly. They are GROSS people. That's why we got sick thanks to them. The partially is your fault too. Its your responsible to wash hands with soap. It's 100 percent effective and less getting sick.

    I don't get sick nothing fo 12 years include bad cold and sore throat, nothing. That's your answer. Effective!!

    For Coronavirus.. very dangerous and higher risk than flu. I haven't got Coronavirus since March and I travel during this year also. Wash the hand with soap and 70 percent and higher of alcohol are 100 percent effective.

    Anyway.. This is something I will have to research about Coronavirus vaccine side effect first. If it does or it doesn't then I will not take the vaccine at all.
     
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    Because you want a percentage value I believe about 3% of people wont take the vaccine according to recent surveys, and thats fine. :) (I cant quite remember if the poll was done in germany or the US, but I believe it was done in germany)

    Also dont feel rushed to take it, if that makes you feel anxious. Chances are, that the rollout will take several months anyhow.

    edit: It was Germany, here are US polls:
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/317018/one-three-americans-not-covid-vaccine.aspx

    and
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ake-vaccine-right-away-poll-shows/5696982002/

    As long as 60-70% of your population are vaccinated, you get the desired effect (herd immunity) - so, even thats 'fine'.
     
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    homeopathy supporter spotted! bois, get him!
     
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    That's a no from me.
     
  8. sarkwalvein

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    Once I consider it tested well enough, yes.
     
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    I know someone personally sho developed neuropathy from a flu vaccine (confirmed cause), so... Not until it is tested safe, and maybe not even then, because it may br like the flu vaccine which only protects against the 3 "most likely" strains in a year.
     
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    Like most things in life there are risks associated with taking vaccines. What I do is simply balance the risk vs the award. The yearly flu shot that I have gotten for the past 20 some years has rarely made sick and has never caused any severe harm or permanent damage to my body. I don't understand how some people freak out about how getting a high temperature and the chills for two days after a flu shot like it is some major ailment or something they can't handle.

    What makes me a little nervous about the COVID vaccines being developed is that they're being "fast tracked", which translates to skipping normal safety practices to speed up development. I will be willing to get a COVID vaccine shot, but probably not until the flu season of next year. By then the "kinks" should all be worked out. I also understand and support anyone that doesn't want to put a drug in their body that they don't want as I believe in individual freedom.
     

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    I take flu shots, but these shots have been well tested. Idk when I will trust a vaccine made this soon.
     
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    I hate needles. But I'm also worried about COVID since even if you survive it can leave you with permanent scars on your heart and lungs leaving you vulnerable to other illnesses in the future. So most likely yes, once there's a properly tested vaccine available.
     
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    While I do trust the science and methodology related to vaccines, I don't trust the distributors.
    I won't ever be taking a vaccine again in my life, if I have the choice.
    Unless I somehow got the means to develop one myself, which is incredibly unlikely.

    Regarding CoViD-19, despite the high number of deaths, it has way too low a mortality rate for me to care about, considering I'm not in any of the risk groups, nor are the people I physically get in contact with. The disease aftereffects are also greatly overblown.

    And death is just a matter of time anyway.
    I'd rather get myself ready for it when it comes, whether it's now or later.
     
  14. Deleted User

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    where i live there are like one hundred something infected, of course not
     
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    I will certainly take it. Not because I'm skeptical/not skeptical of the results, but people need to do it for the sake of data. If you're on the fence, I'd be happy to report my experience and let it contribute to the wellspring of knowledge that we need in order to move forward, better or worse. If I get super sick, get C-19, or die, at least it will benefit others.
     
  16. Deleted User

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    It's a question of when rather than if I get it. Ideally, I would wait 5 years to see the long-term effects of the vaccine. In reality, I'll probably get it a few months after it's released.

    My reasons main reasons for getting it quickly are the Australian government intends to disadvantage unvaccinated people and I want to go overseas - something we will probably need an immunity passport for.

    I would feel safer taking a vaccine produced using virus particles deactivated using heat or some other method. The newer methods which involve genetically modified viruses and such scare me.

    As we have already seen, normally I hate people who refuse to vaccinate but in this case I won't hold ill feelings towards those who don't take the coronavirus vaccine. The fact that these vaccines are being fast-tracked and we have not seen their long-term effects gives us legitimate reasons to question their safety.
     
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    Genetically modifying a virus scares you... Jebus.

    We have to talk about this for a while after... ;)

    Astra Zeneca resumed its study in the UK 4 hours after it announced it was halted, which is - unexpected...
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/12/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-resumes-uk/
    see also:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02594-w

    Also, they crammed in a meeting with financiers (afair) shortly before the first press statement. This is how financial pressure looks like.
    --

    Here is the rundown on what happened. Side effect is rumored to be Transverse Myelitis in 'one or two cases' (out of 17.000 plus - but this is potentially more than a statistical snafu.)

    Transverse Myelitis is an inflammatory illness that could be caused by several factors, one of which is an auto immune response. This means, potental causes could be:
    - Virus (in the vaccine, or a different one entirely) causes the immune reaction
    - Surface level molecules are similar to your bodys, training antibodies to go after your bodies cells (chance accident)
    - Overactivity of you bodies immune system (T cells) also can cause inflamation
    - Overproduction of your bodies anti-bodies can lead to them accumulating in the spine (where Transverse Myelitis takes place prominently), which causes the issues above.

    Astra Zeneca also denied to confirm, that journalistic research was correct, and it had been a case of Transverse Myelitis that caused the trial to stop. And it is unclear, if there is one case, or there are two cases (rumored) currently.

    General probability of Transverse Myelitis after any vaccination is 1:250.000 (so extremely rare).

    Which means - this is a cluster-f to figure out 'what caused it' especially in short time. So the exact opposite of great. :)

    This is related to one out of nine vaccine candidates currently in testing (candidate AZD1222) although it is a prominent one (its the 'Oxford cadidate' and Astra Zeneca is a _major_ manufacturer).
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    Regarding 'genetically modifying a virus' making people worried. You do that to reduce risk all over the board. If your process includes 'growing more Covid-19 in cellular cultures, then trying to kill it, before you put it into a tube...' more problems are expected to arise. Producing genetically modified (not very complex) organisms can be more safe, than other forms of vaccine production.

    The emotional reaction comes from GMO food, and the idea that you put something 'unnatural' in your body - again. The issue here is, that GMO foods also are largely unproblematic (after they have undergone safety trials (do they produced some unexpected chemical compound as a result? No? Fine.).

    Issues with GMO food arise from you not being able to tell how it will react in natural mutation chains, down the road - which is why you design the reproductive capability out of GMO anything usually. Which leads to economic interdependence, if farmers cant grow their crops 'generationally'. (One bad harvest, and you are buying seeds from a manufacturer again, hopefully with insurance money.)

    Roughly this:
    Scientists Say GMO Foods Are Safe, Public Skepticism Remains
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...gmo-foods-are-safe-public-skepticism-remains/


    edit: If someone wants to cross reference timetables, conference call with investors was on wendesday morning. :)
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/
     
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  18. Deleted User

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    My concerns have nothing to do with genetically modified food. People have died after having genetically modified viruses injected into them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Gelsinger

    I won't necessarily refuse a vaccine containing genetically modified viruses but if I get to choose between multiple vaccines I'll pick one which does not contain them. I am well aware there are huge differences between a decades old gene therapy experiment and a vaccine which has passed phase 3 testing.
     
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    *cough, cough*
    Thats just the difference between gene therapy (virus is expected to infect cells, injecting its RNA and your cells starting to produce a desired something) and vaccination (none of that whatsoever). No biggy. ;)

    Having a massive immune response (i.e. not the retrovirus itself killing him, but his own body attacking that virus), is what we are testing in phase 3 trials against, and also what was one of the causes to have the Astra Zeneca trial temporarily stopped.

    In general the likelyhood for the specific one in the Astra Zeneca case to happen is 1:250.000 (with usually a mild progression (but with serious effects) if caught and treated, not death as a result). But in the Astra Zeneca case was 1(2):17000+ - so again, less posting of profile pictures of dead people, more keeping the perspective.

    That said, I dont know the sideeffect rates that need to be undercut for a vaccine to be greenlit.

    Also - as the virus itself in your case wasnt the cause of death, but the bodies immune reaction, I guess your case is comparable to the Covid-19 vaccines. But then again the cause for the immune reaction is hard to find out specifically. So you wont know for sure what caused it.

    You just dont want too many of those - statistically. Before you decide that you can go ahead with a mass rollout. And there I dont know the exact ratio required. But it is good news, that those cases show up in public, that indicates that the required reporting works.
     
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    Considering the fact that I have a very weak immune system and my body takes forever to heal, I am definitely getting the vaccine. I've been surprisingly lucky that I haven't caught COVID yet but that's because I've been actively avoiding areas where outbreaks have been reported. I even switched full-time to a completely different store after finding out someone was reported to have caught COVID in the store I was originally working in. Regardless, it's still only a matter of time, and considering how many people I deal with on the daily basis, that risk is constantly higher than most. Plus there's the added bonus of people who believe wearing masks are "political" and refuse to wear one, which continues to increase the risk of others getting exposed. So in short, I am getting that shot because I don't want to die because some morons are spreading COVID.
     
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