Hacking Question Will we ever be able to play games post 3.0?

[bonobonoob]

Hello guys sorry if this is a stupid question but im new to the scene. I read alot and there is alot of progress in the scene. Atm i have a switch with 3.0.
Lets say we will get Homebrew and all that stuff. Would we be able to play games post 3.0? Afaik we cant update and then just downgrade because of this efuse thing.

So my question is will we be locked at games with 3.0? How realistic is it that we can bypass this? And how long would that take?

I know nobody knows how this will develop, i just want a raw guess on what is possible and what is not.

Would be awesome if you guys could help me with my decision(cant afford 2 switch) to update or to wait. If we are locked i will update. But if there is a quit good chance to achieve i would be happy to wait.

 

[magico29]

Hello guys sorry if this is a stupid question but im new to the scene. I read alot and there is alot of progress in the scene. Atm i have a switch with 3.0.
Lets say we will get Homebrew and all that stuff. Would we be able to play games post 3.0? Afaik we cant update and then just downgrade because of this efuse thing.

So my question is will we be locked at games with 3.0? How realistic is it that we can bypass this? And how long would that take?

I know nobody knows how this will develop, i just want a raw guess on what is possible and what is not.

Would be awesome if you guys could help me with my decision(cant afford 2 switch) to update or to wait. If we are locked i will update. But if there is a quit good chance to achieve i would be happy to wait.

wait baby,no doubts baby we are ready to rock soon or later

 

[wvsgnovize]

If you want to play games on your switch, update. If you just want to look at it catching dust, don't.

There's no telling if or when there will be an exploit on 3.0.1+; could be months, could be years, maybe it won't happen at all. Even if we'd manage to extract the 3.0.1 keys and decrypt newer games, we'd still need a way to spoof the firmware / get the switch to run from an emulated NAND. We're not even remotely close to that point.

My recommendation: Update your switch, play games and have fun with it; don't wait for something that is extremely unlikely to happen within the next 12 months and probably won't even happen within the next 24.

 

[Risingdawn]

good God how many of these posts,
Maybe, sometime , possibly.
Not yet.

 

[Gnarmagon]

Like everyone said: if you want to play Games just update.
This 3.0.0 Bug is in my Opinion a bit overrated because it is just a worse Kexploit.
This means as soon as a Kexploit is found for example in FW.4.0.1, Firmware 3.0.0 has no longer any usage.
Most of the people think that they could stay on a low firmware because in some years there will be "an OTP" dump and then they don't have to downgrade -> less risk of bricking.

Ah and downgrading is always possible....Efuses are just a prevention,that stops from reusing a Backup but with some work it may be possible to just patch them out so that the System thinks that this "downgraded" Firmware is a newer FW.

When you look at the 3DS where nobody thought at the time (December 2016) that on 11.X downgrading would be possible because there is a list that blocks old Firmwares from being installed...
You see today we have for every known 3DS FW an Exploit and it was just a matter of time.

I think you should just update like the majority did (Piracy isn't worth waiting that long and everything else won't be good in years like VC Injection or Cheat Tools)

Edit: You can expect that the Switch downgrading will be like on a New 3DS dumping the OTP where you can do a lot of things wrong like closing the lid XD (but it works...)

 

[operador7]

Hello guys sorry if this is a stupid question but im new to the scene. I read alot and there is alot of progress in the scene. Atm i have a switch with 3.0.
Lets say we will get Homebrew and all that stuff. Would we be able to play games post 3.0? Afaik we cant update and then just downgrade because of this efuse thing.

So my question is will we be locked at games with 3.0? How realistic is it that we can bypass this? And how long would that take?

I know nobody knows how this will develop, i just want a raw guess on what is possible and what is not.

Would be awesome if you guys could help me with my decision(cant afford 2 switch) to update or to wait. If we are locked i will update. But if there is a quit good chance to achieve i would be happy to wait.

To be honest for sure you will be able to play games post 3.0.0 sooner or later but these my take a while long,.
is hard to say that if something will come up after 3.0.1,if it does it will take long ,long time.
If you want to play just move on.

 

[Gnarmagon]

To be honest for sure you will be able to play games post 3.0.0 sooner or later but these my take a while long,.
is hard to say that if something will come up after 3.0.1,if it does it will take long ,long time.
If you want to play just move on.

It's not hard to say lol

The history of Nintendo is full with stupid mistakes from everything getting Kernel Access where the has starts with 0 to letting userland exploits get root privileges.

Nintendo didn't do everything proprietary like Sony did so it is a lot easier to RE....

The only thing that can be said is that creating a proper SDK takes years so good luck waiting XD

 

[Thelonewolf88]

Ffs, how long is a piece of string? Nobody knows what the future outcome holds for switch hacks.

You either enjoy the system now on the latest firmware, buy a 2nd console or play other systems, it's as simple as that right now because there isn't any other option.

 

[V-Temp]

This 3.0.0 Bug is in my Opinion a bit overrated because it is just a worse Kexploit.
This means as soon as a Kexploit is found for example in FW.4.0.1, Firmware 3.0.0 has no longer any usage.

What do you mean by this? The current compromise at the top of our successes list is not "like a kexploit", it is a kexploit. The questions that remain surrounding it (and all of the work that went into it) is when it will be released, will it be weaponized, and will it be useful if weaponized for enabling signage. After smhax, the next step was achieve arbitrary rw and getting into the kernel, this is now achieved albeit privately and with no release schedule or time plan.

But none of this addresses the actual limiter on post-3.0.0 software: new encryption, patched up exploits preventing access, and the ever present HackerOne initiative that leads to a never ending cat-and-mouse game.

We can (and will) have CFW+homebrew eventually which the kexploit is a big step towards, but that doesn't somehow magically decrypt new game-crypto on new software. It doesn't magically spoof your FW. It doesn't magically not get your console permanently and irreversibly blacklisted. And so on.

We have to walk before we can run, so let's get past the crawling stages first.

See: PS4 1.76 for why having a fully broken FW does not somehow give you everything that comes after.

 

[magico29]

Hello guys sorry if this is a stupid question but im new to the scene. I read alot and there is alot of progress in the scene. Atm i have a switch with 3.0.
Lets say we will get Homebrew and all that stuff. Would we be able to play games post 3.0? Afaik we cant update and then just downgrade because of this efuse thing.

So my question is will we be locked at games with 3.0? How realistic is it that we can bypass this? And how long would that take?

I know nobody knows how this will develop, i just want a raw guess on what is possible and what is not.

Would be awesome if you guys could help me with my decision(cant afford 2 switch) to update or to wait. If we are locked i will update. But if there is a quit good chance to achieve i would be happy to wait.

don't do it baby,do not update please

 

[petethepug]

No, we will never be able to do that. Just like how the 3ds can bypass updates
(oh wait)

Short answer: No not right now, but maybe a few years from now.

 

[Beerus]

its time to stop

 

[CeeDee]

Y'all who linger on 3.0 in hopes of playing pirated games, especially anytime soon, are pretty ridiculous. The system's new, and no one will release any homebrew tools, especially not anything enabling piracy, anytime soon. And once something is released, it'll probably be a new exploit and able to be used on a higher firmware.

Enjoy the system, update it, and play some damn Mario.

 

[Bladexdsl]

only with a flashcard

 

[Gnarmagon]

Enjoy the system, update it, and play some damn Mario.

meh Mario isn't worth it lol

 

[linuxares]

Can people stop say that we can downgrade the firmware? It's not possible with a Switch since it blews efuses. Whats needed to do such a thing is to either exchange components or an additional hardware. Efuses are built to protect downgrading, the firmwares check how many efuses are blown, if the wrong amount (either to few or to many) it will panic, aka a bricked Switch. The only way to downgrade is to sign (Nintendo Masterkey) the firmware files and either remove the efuses checks or to edit the firmware to accept the amount of destroyed efuses.

What do you think is most possible to happen?

 

[Gnarmagon]

Can people stop say that we can downgrade the firmware? It's not possible with a Switch since it blews efuses. Whats needed to do such a thing is to either exchange components or an additional hardware. Efuses are built to protect downgrading, the firmwares check how many efuses are blown, if the wrong amount (either to few or to many) it will panic, aka a bricked Switch. The only way to downgrade is to sign (Nintendo Masterkey) the firmware files and either remove the efuses checks or to edit the firmware to accept the amount of destroyed efuses.

What do you think is most possible to happen?

Can people stop guessing ?

You can't say that it's impossible to downgrade at this Point....just because there are Efuses doesn't mean that the Engineers of Nintendo didn't do something wrong that could lead to downgrading without a brick.(For example Nintendo could've messed up with the checking mechanism of the Efuses so you could patch it and it will always report that everything is fine)

Where code is,are bugs too....

A recent example is KRACK (a WPA2 exploit ):

Everyone thought it was uncrackable until it was cracked and nobody saw this security Issue in 20 Years !!!

Some Sources on where everyone can build a basic opinion on:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kaxz3/krack-wifi-hack-attack-guide-explainer
http://blog.mojonetworks.com/wpa2-vulnerability
http://wololo.net/2014/01/20/10-days-of-hacking-day-6-the-wii/
http://wololo.net/2014/01/18/10-days-of-hacking-day-4-the-psp-part-1/
http://wololo.net/2014/01/18/10-days-of-hacking-day-5-the-psp-part-2/
https://yifan.lu/2016/08/05/henkaku-koth-challenge/
https://yifan.lu/2016/12/31/state-of-the-vita-2016/
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-hypervisor-bypassing-hacking-samsung-knox/ (Samsung Knox is nearly the same as Efuses)
https://www.progeeksblog.com/how-to-disable-samsung-knox/

Yeah the sources look a bit random but I am kinda enraged now after gbatemp good flooded with guys that are asking daily about the Switch and I REALLY don't want that this will be for the next 2 Years when the first posts shows up about bricked Nintendo Switches...

 

[linuxares]

Can people stop guessing ?

You can't say that it's impossible to downgrade at this Point....just because there are Efuses doesn't mean that the Engineers of Nintendo didn't do something wrong that could lead to downgrading without a brick.(For example Nintendo could've messed up with the checking mechanism of the Efuses so you could patch it and it will always report that everything is fine)

Where code is,are bugs too....

A recent example is KRACK (a WPA2 exploit ):

Everyone thought it was uncrackable until it was cracked and nobody saw this security Issue in 20 Years !!!

Some Sources on where everyone can build a basic opinion on:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kaxz3/krack-wifi-hack-attack-guide-explainer
http://blog.mojonetworks.com/wpa2-vulnerability
http://wololo.net/2014/01/20/10-days-of-hacking-day-6-the-wii/
http://wololo.net/2014/01/18/10-days-of-hacking-day-4-the-psp-part-1/
http://wololo.net/2014/01/18/10-days-of-hacking-day-5-the-psp-part-2/
https://yifan.lu/2016/08/05/henkaku-koth-challenge/
https://yifan.lu/2016/12/31/state-of-the-vita-2016/
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-hypervisor-bypassing-hacking-samsung-knox/ (Samsung Knox is nearly the same as Efuses)
https://www.progeeksblog.com/how-to-disable-samsung-knox/

Yeah the sources look a bit random but I am kinda enraged now after gbatemp good flooded with guys that are asking daily about the Switch and I REALLY don't want that this will be for the next 2 Years when the first posts shows up about bricked Nintendo Switches...

You know that efuses are hardware related right?

EDIT: Also Knox and KRACK are software issues, not hardware related either.

 

[Gnarmagon]

You know that efuses are hardware related right?

that doesn't matter when the Software checks it....(and yes Bootrom/Bios does count as Software)

 

[linuxares]

that doesn't matter when the Software checks it....(and yes Bootrom/Bios does count as Software)

Yes, that's why I say as I do. Right now, there is no possible way to downgrade without panicing. I would guess the efuses checks are in the Bootrom, all depends on how it's setup.
You got to remember that the Switch is much more secure than the 3DS ever was.