Hacking Question Will Switch piracy be possible? If it is, will it work like the 3DS/Wii U

[TheCyberQuake]

True that.

Well can't we create a tool to remove all the data/IDs and/or replace the data for your Switch.

No. The console-unique cert is burned in from what I've heard. Can't just replace a file like you could on 3ds.

 

[Lacius]

You missed the last part saying the vita has a similar game firmware issue which last I checked is still an issue. And seemshow people have said the switch has even better security you likely won't get that anytime even remotely soon

It certainly could be possible on the Switch. Saying it isn't possible or that it's likely impossible because it hasn't happened yet on the Vita is silly.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

It certainly could be possible on the Switch. Saying it isn't possible or that it's likely impossible because it hasn't happened yet on the Vita is silly.

I never said it's impossible. I said it likely won't happen anytime remotely soon.

 

[aykay55]

No. The console-unique cert is burned in from what I've heard. Can't just replace a file like you could on 3ds.

Well that just sucks. Nintendo has got us in checkmate with the Switch. One step ahead.

What about dumping from a cart?

 

[TheCyberQuake]

Well that just sucks. Nintendo has got us in checkmate with the Switch. One step ahead.

What about dumping from a cart?

You can dump from a cart, but it would be difficult to turn it into a proper installable file.

 

[Tapri]

It certainly could be possible on the Switch. Saying it isn't possible or that it's likely impossible because it hasn't happened yet on the Vita is silly.

We're not saying it's not possible, we're saying it's not feasible right now. Literally every title is stored with a Device ID and Rights ID, and validates everything via servers as well.

No. The console-unique cert is burned in from what I've heard. Can't just replace a file like you could on 3ds.

According to SciresM, that's correct. Every device has a device unique ID burned in at factory, which is used for every digital title download/install. Along with the unique keys being locked behind encrypted trustzone.

 

[aykay55]

You can dump from a cart, but it would be difficult to turn it into a proper installable file.

It's something though. Carts are the only way as of now to dump the games, so might as well start. Is firmware also burned-in on the cartridge?

 

[Tapri]

It's something though. Carts are the only way as of now to dump the games, so might as well start. Is firmware also burned-in on the cartridge?

There's a firmware check on the cart before it's properly loaded; if the device is on a lower firmware without the keys to run it, then it wont be allowed to run. right now there isn't any way to spoof os versions. An update for the OS is also normally stored on the carts as well if you're below the version to bring you up to snuff to run the cart.

If you're also not aware; ninty changes the keys to run stuff every so often, which is why firmware is going to be harder to spoof without those keys. which is the main reason you can't run 4.0 games on 3.0 or below.

 

[Lacius]

I never said it's impossible. I said it likely won't happen anytime remotely soon.

We're not saying it's not possible, we're saying it's not feasible right now.

That's not what has been argued. I've also only been arguing what's possible, not what's coming soon or even probable.

Even with that you won't be able to play any games past the first 7 months of releases unless we got the keys for them.

What worked in 3ds won't work on switch.

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You can dump from a cart, but it would be difficult to turn it into a proper installable file.

Why would this be difficult?

 

[Tapri]

That's not what has been argued. I've also only been arguing what's possible, not what's coming soon or even probable.

you should read this

 

[Lacius]

you should read this

I did read this.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

That's not what has been argued. I've also only been arguing what's possible, not what's coming soon or even probable.



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Why would this be difficult?

You really ought to read up on what we currently know on the switch. You are being far too optimistic. Do I believe it will happen eventually? Sure. But not anytime soon enough to make it worth waiting on 3.0.0 for most people.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

That's not what has been argued. I've also only been arguing what's possible, not what's coming soon or even probable.



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Why would this be difficult?

Seriously saying "why would this be difficult" shows you don't know much about the switch's security.

 

[Tapri]

I did read this.

So then you understand that piracy (Which is topic is about) is not possible without getting unique, console specific, keys from the TrustZone? And that literally every title is stored with a device ID and Rights ID that's validated by ninty's servers itself against your account, along with a number of other anti-piracy checkpoints?

While we also may be able to dump carts, we don't have any way to install them, not because of lack of kernel access, but by how everything works.

 

[TheZander]

if they can already screw with the file system folder thing with the game stuff couldn't they already have the ability to have a laodiine piracy thing? just swap the files with with another one.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

So then you understand that piracy (Which is topic is about) is not possible without getting unique, console specific, keys from the TrustZone? And that literally every title is stored with a device ID and Rights ID that's validated by ninty's servers itself, along with a number of other anti-piracy checkpoints?

While we also may be able to dump carts, we don't have any way to install them, not because of lack of kernel access, but by how everything works.

This. And there may be ways in the future, but nothing even remotely soon. I would say choose to the end of switch life cycle, maybe even after

 

[Tapri]

if they can already screw with the file system folder thing with the game stuff couldn't they already have the ability to have a laodiine piracy thing? just swap the files with with another one.

Not how that works, mate.

 

[TheCyberQuake]

if they can already screw with the file system folder thing with the game stuff couldn't they already have the ability to have a laodiine piracy thing? just swap the files with with another one.

That would involve decrypted titles, which means games we already have keys for, which are 3.0.0 and lower
Plus it doesn't work like that anyway

 

[TheZander]

That would involve decrypted titles, which means games we already have keys for, which are 3.0.0 and lower
Plus it doesn't work like that anyway

are those public game dumps not decrypted?
I thought they were dumped after the game is loaded and stuff

 

[Lacius]

You really ought to read up on what we currently know on the switch. You are being far too optimistic. Do I believe it will happen eventually? Sure. But not anytime soon enough to make it worth waiting on 3.0.0 for most people.

If you believe it will happen eventually, then you're more optimistic than I am.

Seriously saying "why would this be difficult" shows you don't know much about the switch's security.

So then you understand that piracy (Which is topic is about) is not possible without getting unique, console specific, keys from the TrustZone? And that literally every title is stored with a device ID and Rights ID that's validated by ninty's servers itself against your account, along with a number of other anti-piracy checkpoints?

While we also may be able to dump carts, we don't have any way to install them, not because of lack of kernel access, but by how everything works.

You both misunderstood my question then. I was contrasting downloads from Nintendo's servers vs. converted cartridge dumps.