will New 3ds have a short life cycle?

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  1. Maximilious

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    I would buy an Oculus Rift before playing any "VR" Nintendo can come up with...

     
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    The 3D effect and button lay-out is near perfect for me now. I only wish they wouldn't be stuck with 240p screens. Resolution might be the first upgrade motivation for Nintendo
     
  3. BenRK

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    It really just sounds like you're butt hurt that you wont be playing Xenoblade now.

    I don't see them making too many games exclusive to the N3DS. You'll still get your Pokemons and Zeldas. I do see them making some enhancements to games running on the N3DS. Improved performance in Pokemon on the N3DS (no lag in battles), but the same performance on the original 3DS, those sorts of things.

    If you don't actually want Xenoblade, then why the heck are you complaining? Let people be stupid if they want, they have the right to be, as you and I have the right to be stupid arguing about it.
     
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    Dolphin can play Xenoblade perfectly, in much higher resolution than the 3DS, and its free. I already tried it and deleted it because i don't have much time any more for boring mindless grinds and anime stories.

    But again, it is a matter of principle. You just don't get it. If we allow Nintendo to get away with this, they will do be doing this again and again and again.

    It is not fair for their fans. And it will ruin their brand too.
     
  5. BenRK

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    Like how it's ruined their brand every time they did it in the past. It really just sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point, and no, playing Xenoblade on Dolphin is not free unless you just admitted you're a pirate.

    If you want to change it, vote with your wallet, yelling in a forum will only make one look stupid.
     
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    Considering the N3DS is basically in the same line as the DSi as a placeholder to tie people over until their newer, more powerful handheld, yes.
     
  7. TemplarGR

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    A forum's purpose is to discuss things and express opinions. Not licking Nintendo's ass.

    Also, i have no problem admitting i torrented a xenoblade iso and tried it on my pc. I deleted it after less than an hour.

    All people in this site are pirates. Or hypocrites (and still pirates).
     
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    If Nintendo can get support for it, it'll last 3/4 years.
    If not, probably 2 years with just 3DS games.

    I think xenoblade's port is a good start, but I don't have much hope, it's still just a port.

    I think it's really cute when people on forums don't realise this.
    It's like looking at a wall, then getting angry at the wall when it doesn't move.
     
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    If only they'd realize they're yelling at a wall and should probably take their blood pressure medication.
     
  10. Maximilious

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    Not sure if you grew up in the 80's but nintendo has been doing this for a long time, just not with consoles. Need I remind you of the power glove, the light gun, R.O.B. the Robot... In fact, I'll just let the Angry Video Game Nerd take it from here:

     
  11. TemplarGR

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    It must be an American thing. The only time i face such a ridiculous concept, that if for some reason you don't agree or like something you shouldn't comment on it, ON A FORUM, is when i participate in american/english speaking forums.
     
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  12. Foxi4

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    I on the other hand think the N3DS is a good step up from the 3DS - I was expecting a revision with a CPP built-in for years but everyone called me mad. Switching from a dual core to a quad core can make a big difference as far as parallelized applications are concerned, built-in dual analog means that the control scheme will be more prominent (unlike with the failed CPP), built-in NFC support could lead to some fun Amiibo-related functionality and more memory is exactly what the 3DS needed, seeing that Smash was already spreading it thin by having to run a custom Home Menu just to make due. Quite frankly, the N3DS is what the 3DS should've been from Day 1, even though it's still pretty weak, all things considered.
     
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    True, the New 3DS is what it should have been from Day 1. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

    It is a good upgrade. And if you don't own already an older 3DS or you don't care about paying for those improvements, then it is a good choice.

    BUT

    The exclusive games are wrong. Period. No way to excuse this. Other consoles release revisions all the time but games remain compatible. Only Nintendo attempts this BS. And it is not the first time mind you...

    I like Nintendo games, i really do. NES was my first console as a kid. And while i then became a PC gamer (and for a short while a Sony Playstation one), i got a Dsi a few years back and it brought the love back.

    But Nintendo's greed is too much. They seem to try their best to make me return to PC gaming only.

    Their hardware costs almost 3 times more than its specs would suggest.

    Their software also costs too much for the investment needed to produce it. There is no way in hell Mario Kart 7 deserves 40 euros, or Pokemon XY 50. You can see it clearly when you compare for example Angry Birds (at time of release) for the 3DS vs the mobile versions... And i know there are other costs involved, but still...

    Now the business model of a console, is to sell discounted "walled garden" hardware, in order to make money from your own games and from third party licences. That is the model of all competitors, and was actually the model of Nintendo for many years, until the Wii and the DS.

    But since the Wii/DS generetion, they decided they would make much money from the hardware, while still making the same from their software AND the licences to third party. That is why third party went away...

    I am not a kid, to not see how overpriced their hardware and software are. And while i can pay for them, i can't force myself to do it, not because i am a thief, but because then i would feel like a sucker.

    If there was no Gateway, i would have never gotten a 3DS. I have only bought a few 3DS games, because i wanted to support the devs. No major game. Just small titles that deserved better, like Shadow Wars and Fantasy Life...
     
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    What you're saying makes complete sense, but at the same time, I'd rather have the revision be a meaningful upgrade with content standing behind it than a minor facelift that doesn't bring anything new into the picture. Exclusive content is that meaningful reason to upgrade to the "new system", because really, when we're talking about doubling the computing power and memory, it's hard to call it a "revision". I don't think the old 3DS has nearly enough juice to pull off the likes of Xenoblade Chronicles (as much as I dislike the game) and even the New 3DS is stretching it, but it's definitely more well-suited for the job.

    If we're talking about the N3DS in relative terms, it's still a very weak system specs-wise, but it is comparatively stronger than the old 3DS and it totally makes sense to trade in your oldie for a new model. The same is happening in the smartphone sector - phones get moderate upgrades every now and then and it's up to the user to purchase the new models and take advantage of the additional computing power and features. You don't have to upgrade, but you can if you want to.

    The reason why Nintendo's consoles get such significant updates and stopgap systems is that Nintendo systems are just weak out of the gate and can't possibly remain relevant for a complete generation, it's been like this for years, although nowadays it's much more obvious. Is it okay to do? It depends on how you look at it. Sony portables don't have this problem for instance, but they're usually much beefier on release date and simply "last longer" in technical terms.

    I really think that this is mostly a problem of specs inadequacy and that inadequacy springs from Nintendo wanting to push their systems at the lowest possible RRP. The problem here is that it's not the 80's anymore and mobile technology is developing at a very rapid pace - unless you release something that's mid-to-top range out of the gate, it's just not going to last for more than 2 years - it's how the cookie crumbles. Nintendo chose the path of periodical upgrades rather than releasing expensive consoles and lowering the price as time goes on and as such you're getting the stopgaps. To stimulate selling said stopgap systems, they release exclusive content for them - otherwise they'd be completely meaningless.
     
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    1. The reason even the New 3DS "struggles" with Xenoblade, has nothing to do with CPU cores and RAM amount (the things New 3DS improved). The GPU is the culprit (GPU is the same in both handhelds. Not even a mild clock boost). As for the resolution downgrade, it is obvious it is a matter of screen assets as well. The point is that the bottleneck is the gpu and the screen resolution, and those are the same in both models...

    2. While the New 3DS is arguably a new console with backwards compatibility, since not only it has new specs but also exclusive AAA games, it is not a true successor. There is a reason we have "console generations". Note that we don't have "PC game generations" or "mobile game generations". Only consoles. The reasons for this are for another discussion, because it will take long... But what matters is that when you blur the "console generations" by releasing new consoles in the same generation, you destroy the very concept of gaming consoles, and make their point moot.

    Notice how, in every article of Consoles vs PC, the main argument in favour of consoles is that you don't have to get new hardware for many years. The MAIN argument.

    3. When you buy games for a smartphone, you can play them on any future smartphone. It is the same like the PC. You can upgrade your hardware and your experience how many times you like, but the software is the same and it carries over. Also, mobile environment is not a closed ecosystem, you can do what you like with your devices, and they are multipurpose.

    On the other hand, you pay a reduced amount for a Console (or a hefty premium in Nintendo's case) hardware, in order to be able to do only what they like with this hardware. It is restricted and they control the terms. This is no smartphone.... The only reason to put up with this, is because there is an implied agreement that you are going to get support for the thing for a considerable amount of time. That is why you put up with the closed garden, restriction of the hardware functions, and higher game prices.

    To put it simply, smartphones and consoles are different concepts, and you cannot justify what Nintendo did by saying "smartphones do this too". Because if Nintendo tries to copy smartphone concepts, it will destroy the barrier that separate the two, and in terms of price, performance, ease of use, and freedom, there is no comparison...

    4. Nintendo releases weaker systems because it can make much more money that way, and it removes the incentive for western developers to compete with them on software. Notice that developers outside of Japan (and some japanese too) completely or almost completely abandoned Nintendo since they started this practice. Nintendo wants to profit both from consoles AND from software, and they don't want other developers to compete, because "it will lessen their brand".

    Imagine if games like Skyrim were on Wii U: The new Zelda would become just a lesser Skyrim clone, and fans would go "meh". But now, after having them starved for AAA games and concepts like true open world gameplay, they will swallow Zelda and preach globally what a great game it is (because that is all they get to play).

    The thing Nintendo doesn't accept, is that both the Wii and the DS were flukes. They arrived on a perfect storm, and selled far more units than they should. This won't repeat. Even the 3DS is not a success, because game attach rate is quite low. There are 50m 3ds consoles out there, but NOT 50m 3ds GAMERS. Most consoles were bought by previous 3ds owners because they wanted "to upgrade". This way they skew the true success of their consoles.

    Nintendo with this kind of practices will keep shrinking, until they become the new NEO GEO. I don't believe they will become the new SEGA, because SEGA had the sense to go software only.
     
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    is useless to argue with nintentard , they like to lick nintendo ass let em be, even nintendo release their mother is a man they will still accept it foolishly
     
  17. Foxi4

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    I'm the last person you could call that, I'm more widely known for calling Nintendo inadequate in their efforts to deliver relevant hardware, I'm merely expressing my opinion on the matter. To be fair though, it's nice to be called a Nintendo fanboy for a change - usually I'm called a Sony or a Sega fanboy. Remember kids - having an opinion = fanboyism! ;O;
     
  18. DarkWrath669

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    An important factor here is that it shows to Nintendo that we want better processing power for smoother games and more features and we really do want a second analogue stick on our console.

    The good sales enforces this and is a way to guarantee decent processing and proper controls on the next handheld.
     
  19. Foxi4

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    Unfortunately we didn't get a second analog slider, but a thumb pad is better than nothing I suppose. Better luck next time, Big N?
     
  20. TecXero

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    Depends on what you consider short. My guess is it will have two or three years for a commercial lifespan. Remember, it's just an extension of the current generation. Kind of like the DSi. They usually do something like this for their handhelds as kind of a stopgap before their next generation handheld.
     
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