Will AMD A10 6800K Bottleneck a GTX 760

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  1. EvilMakiPR
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    Ok so I have my PC with a FM2 Mobo and a A10 6800K and not dedicated GPU. It has been working without problems and run all games I had throw at it until now. Newer games like Thief, ACIV and even Strider. The problems occur when I record or Stream ,and the frames drop drastically, cuz I'm a YouTuber and Stream to Twitch. So I havent been able to record or stream recently. But yesterday received an offer from Gamestop about some trade-ins and now have $200 on Credit. So I wanted to upgrade my PC. At first I was thinking about a Xbox One or PS4 cuz didnt know Gamestop sell PC Component until just today when I was surfing the site.

    So I found this GPU(Yeah I'm aware of the 770 but too expensive & aware of the old models too but wanted something like more recent). I cant upgrade now my MOBO and CPU cuz ya know i'm poor but I will once I sell my current ones(I'm selling them). So what you guys think? Oh! I play on 720p Windowed so I can record/stream, make the work much easier cuz I only have 1 monitor. Will the A10 bottleneck the 760? Like drastically? My PSU is 500W.

    Oh And I can only buy from Gamestop cuz the Trade-in Credit.
     
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    trumpet-205 Embrace the darkness within

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    First of, any AMD APU is indeed a bottleneck for high-end GPU like 760. APU is never designed to be paired with high-end GPU. Now for gaming only on 720p you won't realize this bottleneck.

    But when you add recording/streaming to the mix, your gameplay will suffer major slowdown. This is because now you are also doing video encoding, and video encoding takes a huge toll on CPU performance.

    Two more problems:
    * What PSU are you using? Simply saying 500 W ain't enough.
    * What HDD are you using? Real-time recording on gameplay will eat away HDD size in no time, since they do not compress video.
     
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    I know. I'm not new at YouTube and Twitch. I have seen videos of the two working together a gives Ultra Settings.

    *Like the model or what?
    *2TB

    EDIT

    PSU: PSIV-500-2
     
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    Yes.

    Frankly if you are budget strapped I would sell that APU rig and go for either AM3+ FX-4xxx setup or LGA115x Pentium setup (Sandy, Ivy, or Haswell). Both setups are much more balanced than that APU setup.
     
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    PSIV-500-2
     
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    Just Google it. A garbage PSU. Have you even seen the power rating before you bought that PSU? 16 A on +12 V equals 192 W.

    What you have is not a 500 W PSU, but a 192 W PSU (I have doubts it can deliver the full 192 W anyway). Judging the 3.3 and 5.0 V rails this is an ancient ATX 1.0 PSU, designed for pre-Pentium 3 era PC.

    Forget about GPU upgrade, get rid of that PSU ASAP. You don't even have room to support GTX 760, or any dedicated GPU for that matter.
     
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    As far I know is a 500W PSU. I bought the PC on eBay with an older APU. I upgraded the APU like a year ago.
    When I bought it it was stated that it was a 500W PSU. I haven had any problems with it.
     
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    It is NOT a 500 W PSU. Ask any computer enthusiast / DIYers and they'll tell you it is NOT a 500 W PSU. :rofl:

    Time for a PSU crash course :teach: :
    * PSU delivers power across six rails (3.3, 5.0, 12.0, -5, 5VSB, and -12.0 V). Among these six, 12.0 V is the most important, as modern CPU and GPU draws their power exclusively from this rail.
    * Rest of your PC components draw very little to none on remaining five rails.
    * Wattage is calculated by multiplying voltage and amperage together.

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    * According to specification, it can deliver up to 16 ampere across 12 volts rail. 12 V x 16 A = 192 W.
    * So the rail that is supposed to feed both CPU and GPU can only do up to 192 W. You want to tell me again this is a 500 W PSU?

    You clearly haven't done any homework or even understand the importance of PSU. Otherwise you wouldn't pick this junk PSU. Besides wattage, unknown brand PSU tends to produce unacceptable ripples, which overtime damages anything connected to it.
     
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    12 V * 22 A = 264 W. Still not even close to being an actual 500 W PSU. Are we still talking about the same PSU model, PSIV-500-2?
     
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    Then why it says 500W? Everywhere in ht eInternet it says is a 500W PSU. You're the only saying is not.

    Anyway can you link me to a recommended PSU then?
     
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    Don't cheap out on your PSU, you'll destroy your components.
     
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    This is a proven quality 450 W PSU, take a close look.


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    Notice how 12 V * 37 A = 444 W? Now this is an actual 450 W PSU. The reason why your PSU claimed 500 W PSU because it included the other rails into wattage calculation: (475 W + 12 + 12.5 = 499.5 W).

    Like I said though, PC components draw so little power from the other rails. It doesn't matter if your 5 V rail can deliver 235 W (5 V * 47 A = 235 W), CPU and GPU does NOT use 5 V or other rails. They only use 12 V rails.
     
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    Oh ok. I get it now. You should have mention that in the very beginning.
     
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    5V * 47A = 235W. 235 + 264 = 499W. That's how it gets 500W, but the important thing is that the 12V rail, which feeds the motherboard, CPU and any graphics cards, only supports 264W. That doesn't give much room, and if you try and load that rail to full capacity, you risk the low grade parts giving out quickly and frying anything running off that rail.

    With an APU which has a fairly low power consumption, it's good enough. However when you start taking discreet graphics cards into the mix, you will quickly hit the limit. Common sense and seasoned system builders can all tell you that it's not a good idea to push the limits of your power supply, especially if it's not made by a recognised brand known for using good parts.
    EDIT: ninja'd.
     
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    Thanks. So can you guys link me to a good PSU for the GTX 760 and the APU? Or just the name/model.
     
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    Since you are in Puerto Rico, I don't know if any of my recommendation works for you.

    * Rosewill Capstone series (the one you saw above)
    * Rosewill Green series (up to 630 W)
    * Corsair CX series.
    * Seasonic S12 520 W
    * Antec EarthWatts series

    Also read this: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

    There are couple brands you should avoid at all cost: Diablotek, Apevia, Topower, Sunbeam, Raidmax, Leadman, Logisys, etc. Go with the recommended PSU rather trying PSU you never heard of.

    Even for reputable PSU I don't advise pushing PSU near limits. Capacitors used in PSU ages as time pass by. So ideally you want to leave 100 to 200 W headroom to take account of capacitor aging.
     
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    Why not?

    Oh ok thanks

    BTW this is my Case. All of them fit here?

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133094
     
  19. Originality

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    Power supplies are all made to almost identical dimensions, so yes, they should all fit in that case.
    Only the more powerful PSUs (over 1000W) would take up more room and cause problems.

    EDIT: to trumpet, a good PSU can operate at around 115% capacity and still be stable. Of course, it's not recommended for the very reasons you stated. Reputable brands tend to underrate their own PSUs to give some allowance to capacitor ageing and reduce the chance of voltage droops and ripples. On the other hands, cheap/no name brands often overrate their capacity which is what leads to smoke and fires when they're actually put to the test.
     
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    Yes, ATX PSU all have same size. Unless you need to use 1,000+ W PSU or small form factor size is not an issue.