Wii U is by far the worst selling Nintendo console of all time

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right ...

if people like to make thread like this is ok... jokes ect ect.

but using words like "retarted" (very offensive word at many levels not to be used in any context) ect ect then they are lowering the level of discussion to ZERO.

at this point this user cannot really reply to my sarcasm becasue I use its own words upon him... he just MUST accept people use with him the same tone he use against others...

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another example
in another thread a user used the word "scrotum" about nintendo way of thinking and defined Iwata "dumb" ...
I think if a user uses this tone on his arguments then he really cannot cry like a kid if people use the same tone on him...
it's that little thing called "respect"...first you give it then in case you can ask it...
LOL I like how you justify your insolence, by saying that I also used childish and retarded in my original post. Good defense.

But, when did I use the word "masochist" or "stupid" or "ignorant" Aha, you see your logic fails.

So, now you realize what kind of a vile person you really are. Sad, when someone so vile can exist in this fine forum.
 

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insolence???

you were the only one here that posted those words ... just accept it ...
Your logic for you being such a vile creature is that you use my own words that I used for Nintendo against me. I can accept this.

But when did I use "masochist" or "stupid" or "ignorant"?

It seems your logic only works when it serves you. I never used those words in my original post, thus they came straight from your vile mouth.

So, really you weren't really using my words to offend me, you were actually just being a vile vile creature that you are.

Such a fine place like this has no need for you vile mouthed creatures such as you. Maybe find another place to flame.

But with all the ass kissing that you do for Nintendo I can see why you have such a potty mouth. lol
 
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Your arguments, your insults and your defensive behavior when confronted are all equally pointless.

You lack the emotional maturity to converse with other human beings.

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LOL
"vile"
I would call vile a person that uses words lik4 "retarted" because such a persone is very disrespectful for people that really live this condition...
Can we face the fact that you are vile potty mouth and be done with it. Stop pretending that you were using my own words against me, when half the things that you said, never came out of my mouth.

You came on here to flame, and bait others into flaming, job done, pat yourself on the back and learn some manners.
 
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no the only fact that nobody can deny here is that you use the word "retarted" in a context that does not require the use of that VILE WORD
How is it not in context? I find most of Nintendo gimmick controller patents to be retarded. What part of that is not in context.

You can disagree with me. But doesn't change my opinion.
 
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I find it interesting that if you ignore the Wii's success, the Wii U sales actually fall in line with the rest of the chart's decline. It's definitely a solid indicator that the Wii's success was an unnatural lucky break.

Power does indeed win the race, but Nintendo doesn't necessarily know what its true strength is, and while the DS family is a powerhouse and the Wii was a juggernaut, the pressure to "reinvent the wheel" every generation is like the kiss of death.
 

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Man, Splatoon finally convinced me of exactly how amazing the Wii U's gyroscope can be when used with aiming. And then Zelda games had to come out and prove that programmers still don't know shit about how to use it correctly.

Seriously, gyro aiming is great when done correctly. You can really tell that Nintendo wasn't quite hands-on as they really should have been with their Zelda remasters. All four of them. :|
 
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They buy consoles to play the most games that available in the market, which includes multiplats and exclusives. Right now Wii U has zero multiplats only first party exclusives made by Nintendo, which pretty much eliminates the bulk of the current gen's library of titles.
First party exclusives always make up the minority, with the majority of each gen's library composed of multiplats and third party exclusives. Right now Nintendo has zero third party exclusives, and zero third party multiplats, which means they have a very small library of games, not enough for any true core gamer.

I.E, Mad Max, Batman Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Need for Speed, The Witcher 3, Fallout 4, The Division, Rainbowsix Siege, etc, etc, etc. These are the games that make up the bulk of this current gen's library of titles, each console will have their exclusives here and there, but by and large, most the library are composed of third party multiplats, which Nintendo has none of.

Which essentially leaves the Wii U fanbase to only the most hardcore Nintendo fans, who will buy a console just to play the latest Zelda game, but sadly that leaves out everyone else.

This is why Nintendo is losing the console war badly.

Like I said, no console has ever thrived with zero third party support, Nintendo is no exception. Because third party not only makes multiplats but they also make exclusives, I.E Street Fighter V, Tomb Raider, etc, etc.

No console manufacturer can ever survive solely on first party development.

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LOL, you done being a fanboy now? I think there are still a few spots on Miyamoto's ass that has shit on it, finish your job and keep licking.
They do have some multiplats such as Batman: Arkham City and Darksiders 2, I agree it isn't much, however I still don't think that's why people buy a console. People buy consoles for the exclusives, sure the multiplats are a bonus but they aren't the priority.
 
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They do have some multiplats such as Batman: Arkham City and Darksiders 2, I agree it isn't much, however I still don't think that's why people buy a console. People buy consoles for the exclusives, sure the multiplats are a bonus but they aren't the priority.
I understand the point you are making and what you are saying is absolutely correct.. but this line of argument only applies to enthusiasts and collectors.
You and me know that consoles survive and prosper because of quality exclusive titles, but we are not the main demographic that console makers are selling to.
Most people who buy gaming-systems are casuals who know nothing about the hardware, the companies or even the essential IPs.
They don't necessarily even buy a console because of great games they have played on other systems in the past.
They buy consoles because of advertising and word of mouth.
Enthusiasts haven't been the focus of the entertainment industry for quite some time now.
Those kinds of people do not own expensive gaming-computers and wouldn't even know what CPU and GPU stand for and THOSE people are the ones who in the end decide the fate of a console. The lowest common denominator.
Try and look at the modern-day gaming industry from this viewpoint and some things that may have seemed strange before, now suddenly seem perfectly logical.

EDIT: Compare the 3DS and Vita simply by merit of their performance and price-point.
A Vita is vastly superior to a 3DS in absolutely every aspect and the gaming press early on was certain without a doubt that the Vita has already won this generations console war right when both systems launched. Back then the Vita actually had a lot more appealing games than the 3DS had at the time as well, but the Vita DIDN'T win. It failed, miserably.
How can that be then? Easy. We are enthusiasts and know perfectly well that from a pure hardware-standpoint the Vita was the superior plattform... but only WE knew that. Most other people nowadays have absolutely no idea what a Vita even is and THAT is the actual demographic that decided this "console war". Not us.
 
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I understand the point you are making and what you are saying is absolutely correct.. but this line of argument only applies to enthusiasts and collectors.
You and me know that consoles survive and prosper because of quality exclusive titles, but we are not the main demographic that console makers are selling to.
Most people who buy gaming-systems are casuals who know nothing about the hardware, the companies or even the essential IPs.
They don't necessarily even buy a console because of great games they have played on other systems in the past.
They buy consoles because of advertising and word of mouth.
Enthusiasts haven't been the focus of the entertainment industry for quite some time now.
Those kinds of people do not own expensive gaming-computers and wouldn't even know what CPU and GPU stand for and THOSE people are the ones who in the end decide the fate of a console. The lowest common denominator.
Try and look at the modern-day gaming industry from this viewpoint and some things that may have seemed strange before, now suddenly seem perfectly logical.

EDIT: Compare the 3DS and Vita simply by merit of their performance and price-point.
A Vita is vastly superior to a 3DS in absolutely every aspect and the gaming press early on was certain without a doubt that the Vita has already won this generations console war right when both systems launched. Back then the Vita actually had a lot more appealing games than the 3DS had at the time as well, but the Vita DIDN'T win. It failed, miserably.
How can that be then? Easy. We are enthusiasts and know perfectly well that from a pure hardware-standpoint the Vita was the superior plattform... but only WE knew that. Most other people nowadays have absolutely no idea what a Vita even is and THAT is the actual demographic that decided this "console war". Not us.
Well said. Like I said, at this rate Nintendo will be relegated to only hardcore fans. Which sadly means you lose the console wars.

People, regular people, buy 1 console per gen, and they expect to be able to play all the cool games that they hear about with that 1 console. If they don't get it, they drop the console and get another one. Only a small minority of people like us own every single console.

If half the games that are being advertised and being talked about are not on Nintendo's console, Nintendo is dead in the water.

This is why hardware parity is so important in console design. Hardware parity allows your console to get every game from every developer, then you win the console war by making or buying the best exclusives for your console to pull gamers towards your system, but the foundation of the war is making sure your console can play everything that comes out for that gen.

By the way, I like the 3DS better than the Vita, one reason 3D. The 3D was what sold me, even got the N3DS for better 3D. LOL
 

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I understand the point you are making and what you are saying is absolutely correct.. but this line of argument only applies to enthusiasts and collectors.
You and me know that consoles survive and prosper because of quality exclusive titles, but we are not the main demographic that console makers are selling to.
Most people who buy gaming-systems are casuals who know nothing about the hardware, the companies or even the essential IPs.
They don't necessarily even buy a console because of great games they have played on other systems in the past.
They buy consoles because of advertising and word of mouth.
Enthusiasts haven't been the focus of the entertainment industry for quite some time now.
Those kinds of people do not own expensive gaming-computers and wouldn't even know what CPU and GPU stand for and THOSE people are the ones who in the end decide the fate of a console. The lowest common denominator.
Try and look at the modern-day gaming industry from this viewpoint and some things that may have seemed strange before, now suddenly seem perfectly logical.

EDIT: Compare the 3DS and Vita simply by merit of their performance and price-point.
A Vita is vastly superior to a 3DS in absolutely every aspect and the gaming press early on was certain without a doubt that the Vita has already won this generations console war right when both systems launched. Back then the Vita actually had a lot more appealing games than the 3DS had at the time as well, but the Vita DIDN'T win. It failed, miserably.
How can that be then? Easy. We are enthusiasts and know perfectly well that from a pure hardware-standpoint the Vita was the superior plattform... but only WE knew that. Most other people nowadays have absolutely no idea what a Vita even is and THAT is the actual demographic that decided this "console war". Not us.
That's a very good point. I do think that the Wii U would have done better if they had advertised it better. They barely bothered to advertise it from the get go and they never made a proper attempt to rescue the system. They basically just let it die peacefully.

I do think the 3DS has more quality titles than the Vita but that might just be me. The 3DS is far more successful than the Wii U ever was, though it had a rough start with the launch titles all being mediocre or shovelware. There was not one good title for the system. The Wii U had Nintendoland which was a lot of fun but it didn't help. The 3DS got a lot of quality titles over time though, and that's where the Wii U was really lacking, at least to me. One or two titles worth buying a year just isn't enough. The 3DS had plenty of them and even if many of them were ports, like Star Fox 64 3D, OoT3D and MM3D, it had a reasonable amount of exclusives too. In my eyes the sheer number of quality titles for the 3DS easily wins over what the Vita has to offer, even if it's inferior hardware-wise.
 
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Blame Nintendo for poor sales.

This is bullshit. There are 10s of other consoles that has sold worse. For example Atari 7800, Dreamcast, Sega Saturn, Game Gear, WonderSwan, Neo Geo, Nintendo Virtual Boy, 3DO etc. etc.

That don't mean that the Wii U is doing good. The Wii U will be added to the list of consoles you got there. I did my part and bought two Wii U and what a mistake that was.
 
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The Vita died, because Sony underestimated how much devs need to spend making handheld games that are of AAA standard.
Vita hardware-wise is superior but because of the massive design bump needed to fully utilize that great hardware, devs needed to move massive dev resources to making those game. And given how cheap handheld games are compared to home console, devs just didn't wanna spend the money to make what are essentially PS3 level graphics for a handheld market.

It was an odd case, where Sony overshot the console curve, and the system way too powerful than anyone ever wanted to develop for. Why would any dev spend millions developing a Vita game when they can spend far less developing a 3DS game. They might as well put that money towards PS4 game development. Which is why VIta is now the home to Weeb RPGs using flat 2D art, and basic turned based systems. This reflects how much money devs wanna spend on Vita game dev.
 
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I know it's about the sales, but what EXTRA does it bring us knowing now that the console sold badly?
Maybe like, lack of more and better games. Wii U doesn't even have a Zelda exclusive game so that says a lot about the system.
 
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