Wii u and Wii U game pad hack talk to be presented soon at CCC/30c3

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  1. Ray Lewis

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    Yeah, good points sifjar. Tri core linux team is basically doing this...linux kernel with access to three processors. Marcan said he may give access to more ram and really it allows everything except Wii U mode. My view is the ps3 linux stuff openedbut nothing more. Wii U needs momentum and unless hidden, tri core team needs three cores to stay running and work together. I believe this is "smp.".

    Maxternal and tri core team obviously will correct this view. Marcan I believe said it is all sand boxes. They can give some and still protect system. I get not releasing now. Let Wii U get momentum, see if interest builds, stalling by letting tri core work out three cores and that helps with dev work for others.

    There was a post about firmware dump, not encrypted, figured out how to use gamepad with pc. The picture showed menu for gamepad. This had my attention:-). That is likely to be released.
     
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    I wouldn't hold my breath though, they might withhold it ;)
     
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  3. SuperSVGA

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    So basically, Wii U Gamepad + Raspberry Pi + EmulationStation = epic portable multifunction thingy?
     
  4. Ray Lewis

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    Ahhh, what?
     
  5. obcd

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    They figured out how communication between wiiu and gamepad is working, so they know how the wiiu is streaming it's video to the gamepad.

    This could lead to showing wiiu gamepad video on other devices like a pc screen.
    This could also lead to using the wiiu gamepad as display device for something like a pc.

    I have no idea how this would help piracy, so piracy isn't a valid reason to keep it a secret.
    We will have to be patient a few more weeks to see what comes out of it.

    You need a fast wifi n connection on the 5 Gig band to stream the video if I read correctly.

    Before we all start disrespecting Team f0f, let's look at some facts.

    Approx a year ago, they posted in their blog that they had an exploit and that the Wiiu was hacked. They also posted they had no interest in doing any further work with it.
    It's very well possible that Ninty could fix the exploit security hole with a firmware update.
    If they would release the exploit to the public, I am sure Ninty would examine it and see if they could fix it.

    There is still a huge amount of work to do after an exploit is found. You will need to recreate a devkitpro and libogc environment.
    This will take months of work, even for a high skilled experienced group of programmers (like Team f0f) Only after the creation of such a sdk, an average programmer can create some usefull homebrew programs for the console.

    As they weren't interested to do that work, they left the door open for others that showed interest and gave us a way to keep the 3 ppc cores going in vwii mode.
    They said they might consider releasing the exploit if someone proved they could do something usefull with that information, like running 3 core linux on the console.

    Linux would make it possible to run homebrew and emulators without opening the gate to piracy as it uses a total different software framework than retail games do.
    Porting existing emulators to linux is usually a not so difficult task if a port for generic pc linux already exists.

    Maybe they created a linux, or maybe they even created a homebrew sdk based upon a microkernel (comparable to devkitpro and libogc, exept that those use pretty much the same microkernel as retail wii games do)

    Whenever they feel like releasing something will depend upon it's maturity at the moment and will also depend upon the fact if ninty can easily fix the exploit.

    They also stated that a 3 core linux for vwii mode and the one for wiiu mode would be pretty much the same.
    So it's not like all efforts done to get it running on vwii mode are a waste of time.

    With Sony and Microsoft releasing their new consoles, and Steam becoming a fact, we can only hope game developers will still show interest in the Wiiu.
    The others players seem to have switched to Intel (Amd) based pc hardware.
    Nintendo was able to interest a large non hard core gaming public with the wii, probably due to their inventive way of controlling their games.
    The Wiiu has it's gamepad which you could call innovative, but the others players could create a similar gaming experience using a tablet as display device.

    One thing is a fact, if piracy would become easy on the wiiu, it won't help for developers to show interest in creating wiiu games.
    Let's hope a lot of people find a wiiu under the christmas tree so that sales of it get better compared to the competitors.

    Maybe they should release a placebo exploit to keep everybody happy?
     
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  6. Foxi4

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    What makes you think that you are in any shape or form entitled to take advantage of someone else's hard work? They are going to talk about hacking with hackers - this conference in no way concerns the average user. In a lot of ways, this is like a symposium for more or less learned individuals who want to discuss about hacking techniques, security measures and methods of their circumvention.
     
  7. gamefan5

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    It's funny to see how people can get a bit selfish.
    U HACKED IT NOW GIVE US THE EXPLOIT!

    *sigh, I don't recall a rule ever saying that they have to reveal info about how to do it, especially if said info is useless to the common users. In their blog, I read some of things about how the wiiU works and even said how to take control of the Espresso CPU. The evrage user will not understand SHIT.
     
  8. OncleJulien

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    good facts, and here's another: its in our human nature to divide ourselves down have/have not lines, and when we're presented with a roadblock, we can either choose to build a ladder to climb over, or build a fire and attempt to burn it down.

    both camps are represented in this thread, but the latter tend to get more eyeballs than the former, due to their incendiary nature.
     
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    I think theyll disclose all the wiiU's secrets and wash their hands of the whole malarky , and crack on with newer next gens ... :) well heres hoping anyways.

    i dont really think this .:P
     
  11. [Truth]

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    Why? Only because you don´t like it?
    I´m no hacker, but i´m interested in this stuff (always read hackmii.com).
    And i don´t want to see piracy or game modification (cheating) on WiiU.
     
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    No one said there had to be, tri-core Linux would be nice to have. All I'd want there to be are emulators, like N64 and PSX mostly. I don't care about making backups or downloading Wii U games at all. Emulation since Nintendo is damn lazy to release N64 to the VC on the Wii U, hackers do what Nintendon't.
     
  13. Obveron

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    Forgive my ignorance, but if an exploit that would allow launching unsigned code was released, couldn't homebrew devs just use the official Wii-u SDK?
    I understand that is more illegal than using a homebrew SDK, but it is an option to use the official SDK right?
    I mean most X360 homebrew was made using the leaked official sdk, and not the "legal" LibXenon.
     
  14. [Truth]

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    When they release a full kernel exploit, the first thing to appear would be piracy, since it´s the simplest "homebrew" to make.
    Locking out piracy would only be possible with some kind of (linux) layer, like SifJar explained and i bet the outcry if that happens would be even bigger then now.
     
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    Piracy is a side effect of homebrew, nothing can be done about it. Not everyone cares about playing Wii U games they don't on an HDD or whatever. Emulation is all I want. Nothing more. They're not even going to release anything anyways.
     
  16. OncleJulien

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    dont tell tueidj that...actually, do.
     
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    Nah, I'd rather not tell him that. No way.
     
  18. gamefan5

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    And that's exactly what the conference of hackers is about. Meaning it's not even directed at you but to the other hackers.
    Haven't you realized that most of the time you know about things happening in the hacking scene is because members here post stuff about it? Hell I bet you wouldn't even know about the conference if the OP didn't even post it.
     
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    vWii bannerbomb/letterbomb equivalent FTW ;)
     
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    Now that would be freakin awesome indeed :P
     
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