Why you deserve a 5.5 kernel exploit, but also why you can't have one

Discussion in 'Wii U - Hacking & Backup Loaders' started by MrDanny, Apr 21, 2016.

  1. MrDanny
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    So a lot of people here seem to fall into two categories:
    - shaming developers who don't release exploits, call them childish
    - shaming people who want a release (whiners), call them childish

    And I think we've got a bit of this going on: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939

    That is, outside of the loud, obnoxious people, there are valid opinions that can be had here. Yet due to those very people, both sides view the other side as somewhat toxic.

    There's two worlds:

    1. Exploit is released to the public

    Pros:
    - People can use the exploit on at least 5.5.1
    - Developers without the exploit can use it to develop homebrew/wii u sdk apps
    - Developers interested in exploiting can learn from it and potentially help exploit in the future
    - Kernel homebrew can be run on store-bought Wii U's
    - Builds the "community"

    Cons:
    - Nintendo would definitely have the exploit and could patch in a future release
    - It's been held private for this long, might as well keep waiting (don't make the waiting pointless)


    2. Exploit is kept private until another exploit is public

    Pros:
    - The (rumored to be very stable) kernel exploit can be used in the future
    - With a future deeper exploit (such as IOSU) it would be very useful to have a stable kernel entrypoint
    - People who are "in the know" can technically request access to further their understanding now
    - Nintendo can't easily patch it if it's not released
    - Potentially builds the long-term "community"

    Cons:
    - If a new private exploit came about and followed this same logic, neither would be public
    - Latest Wii U firmware is not exploitable
    - Developers who could request access might not want to, as they would prefer it be available to all


    Assumptions made:
    - There is only one 5.5.1 kernel exploit that works
    - That exploit is stable
    - That exploit would be perfect for deeper level playing later
    - Nintendo would actively patch the exploit


    These are not the only arguments that can be made, and there are surely more factors at work here. These are some of the most popular "valid" points that I've seen be made by both sides.

    I'd like this thread to be an argument. But I'd also like the argument to focus solely around these pros/cons/assumptions (or new VALID ones). No whining or calling the other side childish. I have the impression that a lot of developers that have the kernel exploit are more quiet than not quiet because anything that they say can be a lightning rod for flamers. This is a "safe space" in that regard. But please, let your opinion be known.
     


  2. Marko76

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    The thing is the people behind the exploit for wiiu won't bring it out until Nintendo brings out new firmware so what reason does Nintendo have to bring out new firmware the answer is they have absolutely no reason to bring out new firmware when the latest one is safe because the hack developers won't bring out the exploit until Nintendo update it.
     
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    hmm ok you spent that much time for nothing... thx dude
     
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    I left this out because I think that the fact that there's going to be release if a new firmware hits seems like speculation to me. I think they want that "deeper" exploit, whether it's on this firmware or a newer one.
     
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    tldr :creep:
     
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    This is the biggest one for me. Finding Wii U's on 5.3.2 or 5.4.0 is pretty difficult. I tried a lot of stores and I simply couldn't find one.
     
  7. TheKawaiiDesu

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    Well, with that logic, practically no exploit ever would ever be released before a console is dead...
     
  8. shaneod

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    Why do you think the exploit has remained private for months? :P
     
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    At this point, I believe the kernel exploit will be released at the end of WiU life cycle since NX is on the way, and by that time there probably won't be people interested in the WiiU so it will be kinda pointless.

    It seems like nintendo is aware that Devs want them to fix the exploit to release it so they aren't going to fix it on purpose. So its fair to say that the WiiU homebrew scene is pretty much dead.
     
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    As some people have stated, Nintendo isn't really bothering that much with the Wii U. The Wii U was technically a flop for them. Nintendo's probably putting all their work and effort to the NX, to make it a good and secure console. The Wii U hasn't had an update for like what, 3-4 months? Compare that to the 3DS, last update that got was probably a little over a month.
     
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  11. MAXLEMPIRA

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    I'm totally agree with you, and we can say that this is like a slience deal between WiiU Scene and Nintendo, while you don't release it to public, I'm not patching it, and apparently Nintendo it's ok with it, at least while they need to add new features...
     
  12. Azeryn

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    So another pointless post about exploits. Awesome. Take this shit to EoF, ban the user, and let's all move on.
     
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    Your wasting your time. Such ideas are not allowed. This thread will soon be locked. I know, I said basically the same thing in a thread I started. And it got locked.
     
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    I deserve it because im bored of having a 5.3.2 wii U
     
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    They should just release it when the NX gets released, FFS...
     
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    but i want my free gemz now
     
  17. Elemi

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    All I hear is a whole lot of people talking, people talking about people talking and nobody doing.
     
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    Guys! We just have to patiently wait! It was promised before February, that's only 9 months away about!
     
  19. Kafluke

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    That's because everything that you and this OP said have been said over and over again. They don't lock threads unless it's useless BS. What was the point of this thread? Did you hope it would spur the devs to release the kexploit? Not likely. Did you hope that it would prevent others from making the same useless whining thread? You only contributed to the problem. This topic is debated constantly on here derailing other useful threads. Don't make another thread yet again with the same BS we've all heard over and over.
     
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    Exactly. It's fine if someone makes it for their personal and won't release it, but don't brag that you have one when you won't release it, just to be a dick about it to those of us waiting.
     
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