1. Deleted User

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    This thread is about western people choosing to take on a vegan lifestyle with little to no influence from their faith.

    We see a lot of vegan propaganda these days. Groups at universities, leaflets getting handed around, signs vadalised with vegan propaganda, Facebook groups and so on. My stance on eating animals has always been if the animal was raised humanely and killed swiftly it's ok to eat it.

    The other day I saw a video on Facebook of a pro-vegan speaker making scientific arguments for going vegan. Not getting into the details I'll say that his arguments were so flawed that only die-hard vegans would listen to him. I looked into the comments and saw there were other people who had already raised the same critisisms for his arguments.

    There probably are more logical sounding arguments out there for going vegan, its not something I've looked into. But I think that going vegan isn't just about logical arguments; it's to do with emotions; one's feelings on killing a living being, the feeling of belonging in a group, the emotional effect of seeing injured animals in pro-vegan propaganda, the satisfaction of buying and taking a health supplement, etc..

    EDIT: I was planning on waiting a few days before making any response but please keep the discussion civil.
     
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    People believe that they are doing the world a favor and being "environmentally friendly" and "better people" by not eating anything that comes from an animal. Some do it just because they believe it's a healthier lifestyle over eating meat. Everyone has their reasons and these blanket reasons also help make it more appealing to more people.
    Personally I suggest if people really want to be a vegan, get yourself bitten by a lone star tick and never eat meat from a mammal again.
     
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    I quite frankly don't care what diet someone else follows so long as it's not negatively affecting them and they aren't pushing it on anyone else

    That said, if someone starts pressuring other people around them to start a vegan diet by shaming them into it, I'd organize a hot dog eating contest in their front yard. And anyone feeding their dogs/cats/other carnivorous pets vegan diets knowing full well that it will kill them over time will get fucking decked
     
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    4 Years Vegan here. Wish I was raised this way. 40 years old and everyone tells me I look 20. Vegan is just a way back to our roots. Humans are fruitivores by nature so why not eat what gives your body the best performance. I never push this on anyone after so many asking but not listening.
     
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    I mean, sometimes I think it's disgusting how many animals exist to die, just for to be consumed by people. Or thrown out and wasted or rotted. If I could, I'd totally be a vegan.

    But steaks are just too delicious.
     
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    veganism is destroying natural wildlife with all the pesticides used to cultivate way more vegetables than needed.
     
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    I've not seen any Vegan propaganda here in the UK and I've been a vegetarian for 35 years now and lucky enough to live in a country that has a large range of vegetarian foods making it easy to be a vegitarian. I've been on holiday in Greece and couldn't find anything labelled in English :unsure: labelled as vegetarian, thou it could have been in greek?.
     
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    fish have the stinkiest blood, vegetarianism is a lie
     
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    It's just because they think they will live healthier, think they are doing a favour to the world and ergo think they're better persons due to that.

    Next time you see a vegan in a restaurant, ask the waiter to bring you double portions of meat, one for you, and one in honor of the vegan. Do a toast in his honor if you will.
    That will give them the lesson that their way of life doesn't help shit to the environment.

    The real problem here is mankind itself, that's the real issue.
    Want to stop animal mistreatment?
    Then reduce the worldwide population, that will exponentially reduce the abuse to animals.
    The higher the number of the population is, the higher the demand for such products will be, and for every vegan out there, there's easily 100 people (as bare minimum) that eat whatever, with the numbes increasing rapidly each second.

    They also seem to believe anyone and their grandma can go through such a diet.
    Sorry but this is also a lie.
    Every metabolism is different, and there are people out there that have negative reactions to having a vegan-only diet.
    I've seen this in several occassions, and no, it's not a diet problem, it's a metabolism one, and you cannot change the way your body functions.

    Last, plants are also living beings, everything that follows the cycle of life (birth, growth, reproduction and death) is a living being.
    Just because a plant doesn't bleed red with its intestines out, and because it doesn't scream or make a noise means it doesn't have life.

    Avoiding animal products doesn't help, deal with it.
     
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    Vegan is a hard one, but some vegetarians don't even care about the animals, just think meat is gross.
     
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    "Flexitarian" is also becoming a thing.

    We are all going eat lab meat at some point anyway. Been trying to reduce the amount of red meat for health reasons, but I don't thing I will ever become a vegetarian. Let alone vegan.
     
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    This is 100% worse than some vegan pushing their agenda on others, this is straight up animal abuse and it shouldn't be tolerated at all.
     
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    Well, maybe in the future you will get a mechanical body. :P
     
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    Carnivores, herbivores, omnivores and that's it. Humans are omnivores by nature hence the meat cutting teeth and grinding teeth together. Hate it when vegans start saying we,re something else then omnivores.
    Here you have a whole article from a biologist who's vegan explaining we're omnivores and not something else !
    https://veganbiologist.com/2016/01/04/humans-are-not-herbivores/
     
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    I've always grown up with dogs, my kids have 2 dogs now, some people see animals or certain animals as a product, how many of you could go and kill and gut the next piece of meat or fish for your next meal?.

    I remember seeing the news in the 80's and even later about ALF in the UK, people who would take direct action against labs that carried out 'experiments' on animals. they even protested outside banks that they were a customer of and soon no bank would touch them and in the end the gov had to fund them. the power of direct action.

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    as long as you dont eat Mechanically separated meat (MSM) :O
     
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    Ironic isn't it?
    A vegan who supposedly doesn't eat meat to stop animal abuse... Lol
     
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    I don't mind killing a animal such as a cow/pig/chicken/lamb/fish for food, other animals only in a dire situation. Now I do agree that a lot of people think their food magically appears, which does make me angry at their blind ignorance. In school we went on a field trip to the grocery store and visited the butcher, I found it a little weird at the time, but it did ingrain in me where my meat comes from.
     
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    :bow: well done, even in the Uk it's not easy to find food products labelled vegan, thou I have started to notice more

    have you thought about a Macrobiotic diet ?

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    some UK kids don't know where milk comes from :rofl2:
    https://www.farminguk.com/News/Surv...n-don-t-know-where-milk-comes-from_46824.html
     
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    To be fair it might've been weird that my school did that.
     
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