Why are you still with Nintendo?

[zoogie]

They keep making hackable platforms. Love them for that.

 

[Jayro]

Despite Nintendo's recent shortcomings, I grew up with their products, and I guess a small part of it is loyalty to a company who made my childhood games awesome. But On the other hand, many of their IP's have become stale with re-hashes and medeocre titles, where-as they will ignore the fan demands and give us everything nder the sun EXCEPT the things we want. Their best IP's haven't seen a game since the Gamecube for crying out loud. Or if we get a new game, it's an "HD Remaster" (Resident Evil, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc...)

Splatoon is a big success for Nintendo, and I hope they continue that IP. Although, I haven't seen anything else from them except for the new amiibos coming soon. A mobile version (New 3DS, not phones) would sell like crazy, but I guess Nintendo doesn't like money, or making customers happy. (Again, ignoring fan demands)

But even with their faults, Nintendo keeps me coming back because out of the games they do release, they really bug test and polish their titles before release, instead of rushing out a glitchy turd to patch up later. Their strive for quality amazes me. They don't release bad hardware. They use quality, expensive plastics and parts, with the N64 joystick being the only exception.

 

[RustInPeace]

Loyalty and being thankful for the childhood memories and even the adult ones, being a sappy fanboy. Mario Kart, Pokemon, Super Mario World, Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64, Super Smash Bros, childhood classics for me. Banjo Kazooie as well. Starfox Adventures, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Super Smash, Deception and Deadly Alliance, teen classics for me. Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 1-2, Super Smash Bros 4, adult classics. All throughout life pretty much with Pokemon. Really it's just an attachment that I can't shake off. Plus with the hacking of Wii and 3DS, those are huge bonuses, and eventually Wii U once I get that set up.

 

[Rockhoundhigh]

I've never understood all the cries of censorship stateside. While unnecessary, I don't think they're nearly as awful as people make them out to be. Most localization changes are made in good taste and from what I can tell are either faithful to the material or well localized analogues. Removal of some ancillary if not usually creepy aspect of a game does not translate to mass suppression of free thought. If anything I just wish they were more consistent. Compare what's okay (Bayonetta 2) to what isn't (some extra skin in Tokyo Mirage Sessions) and things a little sporadic.

As for why am I still here? I'm sure to an extent it's nostalgia, the N64 being my first console and all but really I just don't get anything else quite like a Nintendo experience outside of their line of consoles (yes, shitty online infrastructure included ). But speaking more seriously I just find their line of games to have a certain charm and magic, plus nobody does platformers like Nintendo. Hell, most companies don't bother with them at all. As for games like Color Splash, that's a case of Nintendo or in this case Miyamoto having their own ambition shooting them in the foot. Nintendo has proven that sometimes they just aren't content with iterating on their entire library for decades, for better or worse. I guess in that sense, they figure if you want a well written Mario RPG just play Mario & Luigi. Hopefully in time they'll learn to modernize though. If they don't the market will reject them and they'll be forced to act like they are now. Nintendo is a business after all even if it has some colorful characters at the helm every now and then. I've been with Nintendo since I was 4 with Donkey Kong 64 in 1999. Now I'm finishing my 3rd year of university with a Wii U and New 3DS in tow. As long as I keep enjoying their games, I'll keep coming back.

 

[omegasoul6]

Because they still make proper consoles instead of underpowered, locked down x86 PCs.
And I enjoy majority of their first party games.

 

[Shadowfied]

I don't feel much "incentive" to "leave" Nintendo, even though I agree with a lot of your points. They still make a lot of fantastic titles but at the same time A LOT of stupid shit, here's some things I hate..

-- General 3DS and Nintendo things --

One thing that really grinds my shit is the FUCKING friend codes. For Christ's sakes, how hard is it to have our own usernames? What makes this even harder for me to accept, is that they actually integrated NNIDs to 3DS, but solely for the eShop...I mean for crying out loud, just make the friends system use NNIDs...We've had unique name identifiers for as long as we've had email. Why the fuck should we have 12 random numbers?!

Region locking. Please stop this shit. Why is it such a problem? Region locking indirectly "promotes" hacking. if there's a game you're dying to play, but have no option to do it....you're likely to turn to hacking. You have no legal obligation to lock your systems to specific regions, so why not let us pay for our shit? Also, fucking hell stop region locking online modes. I've played Triforce Heroes with a bunch of friends in the US (I'm in Europe) and we've had better connectivity than some players I've played with on the EU region. There is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.

Wifi connectivity..was 5 GHz not a thing when the 3DS was made? Couldn't they at least have added 5 GHz for the New 3DS? So silly. Anyway, internet in general feels so..."taboo" on 3DS. Rather than staying connected, you always have to jump through a bunch of menus in order to play online. "Oh you wanna play online? OK. Switching from Local to Internet.." *10 seconds later* "Connected!" *wait for 3 seconds for message to disappear* "Searching for lobbies...." *10 seconds later* "No games found. Disconnecting.." - If you've been playing 3DS games, you know EXACTLY what I mean. In their defense, I don't know enough about the hardware to say that always being connected is great and viable and shit, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't be.

Is the Wifi hardware of the 3DS just really absolutely brutally fucking awful? Why can it only remember 3 networks (PLEASE tell me that's a software limitation...actually...maybe don't, because then it'd be even crazier why it's limited so hard), why does it detect every extended AP as different ones? I play in school sometimes, it's really weird to see 20 APs rather than just the 1 like every other device ever shows.

Why can you only have 10 StreetPass titles activated?

Here's something I really hate...having multiple consoles. Why OH WHY are we not allowed to use multiple devices? Why can't we sign in to our NNIDs and have our games on both consoles and move our save files back and forth? Why do we have to turn our old system into nothing, when it could actually be useful? When I first got my New 3DS, I didn't want to do a system transfer, because I streamed a lot of 3DS games as I have a capture board on my Old one. I don't know what I'd do without homebrew & CFW. Without hacking I'd be in such a shitty situation.

Why did you remove SwapNote / Letterbox?! Some of you might remember that SwapNote aka Letterbox had online functionality. You could send letters, pictures and recordings to your friends. It was really fun and cute. We were a decent group sending messages back and forth and it was actually fun to see people spending time drawing things and having fun. Then suddenly, Nintendo hears that some people are sending dick pics. "OH SHIT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WE GOTTA SHUT IT DOWN!!!! SHUT IT DOWN NOW BOIS!!!!" - THIS. IS. NOT. NINTENDOS. RESPONSIBILITY. I understand that the 3DS is supposed to be a child friendly device, but jesus christ, you can't even accept strangers as friends, because you both have to add each others stupid 12 digit code. These people know who is sending that shit and are free to delete them. Imagine if every file sharing site would shut down as soon as they discovered that people were uploading NSFW shit....man..


-- Virtual console and eShop --

Virtual console is probably the most underutilized thing ever. Why don't they just spam the fuck out of it so everyone can get their favorite retro titles? That's when people discover they can inject their own games which may work fine..."bai nintendo im going cfw". THEY always get people to WANT CFW. That's their problem. They fiercely fight hacking, going as far as to remove titles from the eShop on a sunday. They have a burning hatred for homebrew and CFW. If they can't provide a better service in legitimate features, it's natural that people are gonna look for solutions.

Why does the eShop client suck so bad? It's a pain to navigate, the search system sucks and expects exact AND full strings. If you quickly wanna find Ocarina of Time, a GOOD search engine will let you type "ocar" and then pop up all results CONTAINING said string, just like how freeShop works. freeShop lets you browse the store AND download at the same time. Things are pretty fucked up when a solo homebrew developer (thank you @TheCruel ) provides a better experience than the original..

Why can their SNES emulator only run on N3DS? Blarg can pretty much run SMW full speed on O3DS. Is it seriously an attempt to tempt people into getting a New 3DS, intentionally crippling the emulator?

Why is VC not cross play? It'd sell a WHOLE lot more if all VC games you bought on your 3DS was also available for free on the Wii U and vice versa, and with cloud saves.

Why so few systems?

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I could go on and on..

 

[bowser]

Loyalty and nostalgia I guess. And most of their games are damn fun.

There have been some recent disappointments for me:
1) Skyward Sword. Loved the game but too much goddamn hand holding by Fi
2) New Super Mario Bros U. Got bored after just a few levels
3) Super Mario 3D World. Great game and looks beautiful but would love a more open world platformer

They just don't make games anymore like they used to. I recently played Wind Waker HD for the first time and it was awesome. Now I'm playing the Metroid Prime Trilogy and I'm blown away. Also played Superstar Saga on Wii U VC and it was money well spent.

I just wish they got back to making awesome games that don't play themselves. A few games recently are giving me hope that they're moving in the right direction. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D was really tough. Mario & Luigi Dream Team was a great experience with innovative ideas and it took forever to beat. Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright was a gem.

I also don't understand this "there are no games" mindset. Do people really finish one game per day? I play for an hour or two per day and it takes me a couple of weeks to finish a game. There are still many games in my backlog for Wii U and 3DS and even the DS so I'm a happy camper right now.

Oh and I never go online (except to buy games) so I don't have any issues there that other people do.

 

[Tomobobo]

I'm 31, got my NES when I was 6. In 25 years, Nintendo really has changed. They were basically a shovelware company, had a period of uprising, and now they're like George Lucas working at Disney. Their original titles on the NES were clones of other games, albeit with a charm the competitors couldn't figure out. Star Fox is the best example of what Nintendo's early design concepts were like, that is, take someone else's game idea, and put in charm. Myamoto is due credit for this charm but that's about all he is worth. Recently he's been the shadowy figure telling me "No" on so may things. No F-zero cause Sega showed him up. No online multiplayer for Mario, Star Fox, Pikmin, anything. No you can't have a Mario Wrestling/volleyball game. No you can't turn off the motion controls, you must use hardware gimmicks at the cost of the game experience. Nintendo has some of the dumbest reasons for their most blunderous mistakes. No HDTV output for the GC or Wii because they assumed the adoption rate of HDTVs to be a slow process, but by the wii was out, CRT's were relics. No online play with the Gamecube because ?????. I remember when the Wii was being announced, they had talked about how Metroid Prime might get an update through WiiConnect24 overnight to add an online multiplayer component, where was that? What the fuck did WiiConnect24 ever do other than kill a bunch of Wiis in standby while a user was on vacation (it's real before system software 2.x something they didn't think about month long standby terms). And then Iwata, I mean, everyone misses the dude but I'm glad he's not the president anymore. His ideas were just as half-baked and foolish as Myamoto's have ever been. A Wii Vitality Sensor!!!! Quality of Life!!!!!! Wtf this is video games, Nintendo, not some completely unrelated market.

So basically I'm still with Nintendo for Sakurai. Even though he doesn't do the Kirby games anymore, they've really shined through the entire Nintendo experience and it's all his responsibility for setting up a magnificent game universe. Smash is beautiful and really would be the only thing I missed if I lost my Wii U somehow.

I'm defineitly not here for Myamoto's little headgames. Dude had a romp as a young man, borrowing game concepts, gained popularity and that's it. Now he thinks he's some omnipotent creator who has a duty to not only protect his IP from what other devs could do with it, but show it off in the most dumb-shit ways possible, tarnishing his reputation. If that dude gets the boot, I promise we will get good Nintendo IP with up-to-date gameplay features. Until then though, we're gonna be playing Star Fox: Sit In A Spinning Chair And Look Like A Dumb Fuck And Have No Fun for about 6-7 more years until the dude can't physically come in to "work".

 

[spotanjo3]

Why am I still with Nintendo ? Because my last name is Nintendo ? XD

 

[jDSX]

My first console was the SNES if that is any indication that I've been very fanboyish back when I was a kid but one thing about ninty that I like:

1. Best hardware made- I mean have you ever heard of a failing wii due to heat or a 3ds screen having a bad capacitor? Me neither but for one I like to think nintendo made their systems to last

2. BC friendly- Okay so this one isn't agreeable with everyone (I mean where are the NDS games/SNES for the 3ds on the store?) but if you own disks the wii can play GC games and I believe the wii u can with some tool iirc. Look at the GBASP for example.

3. Never had a cringe bad moment at E3 that I can recall (minus the E3 12 one) if that doesn't show how much a company cares about it's products and player base then I don't know who does.

 

[Taleweaver]

If I have to take a side, I'm going with steam. Or pc gaming, if you prefer. But for some reason, it has to be about consoles vs consoles. As if there's still a huge-ass difference between the things (my pc is connected to my tv and can connect through the steam controller or a PS4 one). So in THAT case...yes, I'm still with nintendo. For a simple reason: the competition sucks.

Not too long ago, someone asked on a non-gaming forum I visit what console was good. She mentions not to care much about hardcore graphics and more 'in the style of Mario'. Of course it wasn't a hard sell (she got a wiiu in the end), but it hit me that the PS4 and xbox one simply do not have much (or any?) of those simple, casual family games.

Sure, you can argue that nintendo captures more of a kid-friendly image than they used to (*looks at Epic Yarn, splatoon and the amiibo's*)...but at least it IS a solid market.

 

[Swiftloke]

when nintendo make mistakes, they apologize for it

Color Splash, Mother 3, Sticker Star, Brawl (competition wise- it's a great GAME), Dream Team, Paper Jam...

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I have very mixed feelings towards nintendo these days. While I love my 3DS and have gotten many hours of great games out of it, I really have a hard time keeping faith in nintendo. I think I can rely on them to keep a good handheld on the markets, which will keep me coming back, but they really need to improve their third party support for home consoles if they want me to buy them. I passed on the Wii U for a number of reasons, and I can't say I regret it. The Wii U has good games, but there just aren't enough to justify a purchase from me. I really hope they are able to take their next console in a direction that allows it to have a larger game selection, because I'd like them to succeed. They've made some of my favorite franchises like zelda, fire emblem, and smash bros. I just wont be buying any of their systems until I know they have good support, because its a real hit or a miss with them. I also think they could use some restructuring in their American branch because they tend to be unprofessional and have been doing a pretty poor job lately. Their marketing, localizations, and PR have all been pretty bad recently. Fortunately I think that firing Alison Rapp shows that they are looking to make some improvements.

Hey, look, it's another mind reader!

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Despite Nintendo's recent shortcomings, I grew up with their products, and I guess a small part of it is loyalty to a company who made my childhood games awesome. But On the other hand, many of their IP's have become stale with re-hashes and medeocre titles, where-as they will ignore the fan demands and give us everything nder the sun EXCEPT the things we want. Their best IP's haven't seen a game since the Gamecube for crying out loud. Or if we get a new game, it's an "HD Remaster" (Resident Evil, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc...)

Splatoon is a big success for Nintendo, and I hope they continue that IP. Although, I haven't seen anything else from them except for the new amiibos coming soon. A mobile version (New 3DS, not phones) would sell like crazy, but I guess Nintendo doesn't like money, or making customers happy. (Again, ignoring fan demands)

But even with their faults, Nintendo keeps me coming back because out of the games they do release, they really bug test and polish their titles before release, instead of rushing out a glitchy turd to patch up later. Their strive for quality amazes me. They don't release bad hardware. They use quality, expensive plastics and parts, with the N64 joystick being the only exception.

More mind readers.

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I don't feel much "incentive" to "leave" Nintendo, even though I agree with a lot of your points. They still make a lot of fantastic titles but at the same time A LOT of stupid shit, here's some things I hate..

-- General 3DS and Nintendo things --

One thing that really grinds my shit is the FUCKING friend codes. For Christ's sakes, how hard is it to have our own usernames? What makes this even harder for me to accept, is that they actually integrated NNIDs to 3DS, but solely for the eShop...I mean for crying out loud, just make the friends system use NNIDs...We've had unique name identifiers for as long as we've had email. Why the fuck should we have 12 random numbers?!

Region locking. Please stop this shit. Why is it such a problem? Region locking indirectly "promotes" hacking. if there's a game you're dying to play, but have no option to do it....you're likely to turn to hacking. You have no legal obligation to lock your systems to specific regions, so why not let us pay for our shit? Also, fucking hell stop region locking online modes. I've played Triforce Heroes with a bunch of friends in the US (I'm in Europe) and we've had better connectivity than some players I've played with on the EU region. There is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.

Wifi connectivity..was 5 GHz not a thing when the 3DS was made? Couldn't they at least have added 5 GHz for the New 3DS? So silly. Anyway, internet in general feels so..."taboo" on 3DS. Rather than staying connected, you always have to jump through a bunch of menus in order to play online. "Oh you wanna play online? OK. Switching from Local to Internet.." *10 seconds later* "Connected!" *wait for 3 seconds for message to disappear* "Searching for lobbies...." *10 seconds later* "No games found. Disconnecting.." - If you've been playing 3DS games, you know EXACTLY what I mean. In their defense, I don't know enough about the hardware to say that always being connected is great and viable and shit, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't be.

Is the Wifi hardware of the 3DS just really absolutely brutally fucking awful? Why can it only remember 3 networks (PLEASE tell me that's a software limitation...actually...maybe don't, because then it'd be even crazier why it's limited so hard), why does it detect every extended AP as different ones? I play in school sometimes, it's really weird to see 20 APs rather than just the 1 like every other device ever shows.

Why can you only have 10 StreetPass titles activated?

Here's something I really hate...having multiple consoles. Why OH WHY are we not allowed to use multiple devices? Why can't we sign in to our NNIDs and have our games on both consoles and move our save files back and forth? Why do we have to turn our old system into nothing, when it could actually be useful? When I first got my New 3DS, I didn't want to do a system transfer, because I streamed a lot of 3DS games as I have a capture board on my Old one. I don't know what I'd do without homebrew & CFW. Without hacking I'd be in such a shitty situation.

Why did you remove SwapNote / Letterbox?! Some of you might remember that SwapNote aka Letterbox had online functionality. You could send letters, pictures and recordings to your friends. It was really fun and cute. We were a decent group sending messages back and forth and it was actually fun to see people spending time drawing things and having fun. Then suddenly, Nintendo hears that some people are sending dick pics. "OH SHIT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WE GOTTA SHUT IT DOWN!!!! SHUT IT DOWN NOW BOIS!!!!" - THIS. IS. NOT. NINTENDOS. RESPONSIBILITY. I understand that the 3DS is supposed to be a child friendly device, but jesus christ, you can't even accept strangers as friends, because you both have to add each others stupid 12 digit code. These people know who is sending that shit and are free to delete them. Imagine if every file sharing site would shut down as soon as they discovered that people were uploading NSFW shit....man..


-- Virtual console and eShop --

Virtual console is probably the most underutilized thing ever. Why don't they just spam the fuck out of it so everyone can get their favorite retro titles? That's when people discover they can inject their own games which may work fine..."bai nintendo im going cfw". THEY always get people to WANT CFW. That's their problem. They fiercely fight hacking, going as far as to remove titles from the eShop on a sunday. They have a burning hatred for homebrew and CFW. If they can't provide a better service in legitimate features, it's natural that people are gonna look for solutions.

Why does the eShop client suck so bad? It's a pain to navigate, the search system sucks and expects exact AND full strings. If you quickly wanna find Ocarina of Time, a GOOD search engine will let you type "ocar" and then pop up all results CONTAINING said string, just like how freeShop works. freeShop lets you browse the store AND download at the same time. Things are pretty fucked up when a solo homebrew developer (thank you @TheCruel ) provides a better experience than the original..

Why can their SNES emulator only run on N3DS? Blarg can pretty much run SMW full speed on O3DS. Is it seriously an attempt to tempt people into getting a New 3DS, intentionally crippling the emulator?

Why is VC not cross play? It'd sell a WHOLE lot more if all VC games you bought on your 3DS was also available for free on the Wii U and vice versa, and with cloud saves.

Why so few systems?

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I could go on and on..

This thread is motherfucking full of mind readers...

 

[BurningDesire]

1) There PR
2) There games
3) The community

 

[Catastrophic]

I grew up with N64 games like Mario and Zelda so I used to absolutely love anything Nintendo. Nowadays, I'm kind of on the same boat; got mixed feelings about them. On one hand, they still make some really good games and their handheld line of hardware is solid. On the other hand, it seems like they're completely out of touch with consumers and their understanding of network structure makes you wonder if it was designed by someone's grandma.

I mainly play games on PC and 3DS nowadays. PC for next-gen and the 3DS for its more unique games plus portability. I tried out the Wii U but sold it and have ignored it since. Not because it's casual or "kiddie", but because it has almost no appeal over everything else but a few exclusives. I really liked the Wii, but reusing that name, slapping U at the end and shipping it with subpar hardware in favor of a controller nobody cares about is their worst move in decades. I hope they learn from this and make the NX more open ended.

 

[YugamiSekai]

Because everyone else sucks.

 

[SonicCloud]

Because i have been with Nintendo ever since i was a little kid.
However, i acceot Nintendo has created some shitty games (PM:SS, or Latest Mario Party's)
I still like them because most of the games i have played from them had been good (KI:U, SSB4, TLOZ: SS; etc.) so i will always gonna be in their side
Im also in Playstation side *but i dont have a goddamn ps3/ps4...

 

[grossaffe]

I'm still with Nintendo because they still make the best games and innovative hardware.

 

[hobbledehoy899]

To be honest at this point I wouldn't say that I am anymore, my interest in the 3DS and it's new games has waned as shown by the fact that I'm getting more and more interested in arcade/arcade-like games that are becoming few and far between on new consoles, which is why I've really gotten big on emulation of systems instead of buying new ones. Unfortunately this is the big reason why my interest in the 3DS in general has waned, it just isn't good at emulating systems beyond NES/FDS, GB/C, Genesis/CD/32X, and SNES games and the bulit-in AGB_FIRM is rubbish.

 

[Lightyose]

One reason, they have my fav game series of all time: ZELDA series

 

[Olmectron]

I'm still with Nintendo because it makes games I like.

I love every Kirby game out there. For every console, I have never felt down by any of its games.

I couldn't live without Zelda by now, those games are what my life is about.

And, I'm still with Nintendo, and Sony, and Valve. Because these are companies, not private friends, and I like to stick with everyone because of the great and different things each one deliver.

So, in short, I'm still with Nintendo because of its first party games. With Sony because of the third party support, and with Valve because of the Steam games, cheap and better in many ways to console ports.