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  1. omgcat

    omgcat GBAtemp Advanced Fan
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    i might potentially be blind, but I'm not voting for the guy who's senior campaign adviser attempted suicide.
     
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    What is the point of this post that Trump lead him to attempt suicide? People try to commit suicide for many different reasons. But everything is Trump's fault Ok he got demoted. So if you owned a company and you demoted someone and they commit suicide from it is that your fault? Maybe in your liberal mind it would be. But in a rational mind it absolutely isn't.

    BTW there's a line of dead bodies rooting back to the Clinton's, they did the suiciding for them.
     
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  3. omgcat

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    good ol conspiracy theories: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/
     
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    Yeah but when it comes to new media they post the conspiracy theories as facts on TV and newspaper so they're just conspiracy sites that are public.

    How can one site debunk every rumor about dozens of death? They must have been there. I'm sure they also have a page that says "JFK was not murdered by anyone but Lee Harvey Oswald" doesn't mean I believe it.

    Even by your argument it's dumb because there were at the very least actual suicides while you point to Trump having someone attempting suicide. So you must be anti-Clinton?
     
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  5. KingVamp

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    On a slightly different note, Amazon banned "Stand Back and Standby" shirts.
     
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    sadly that won't make a difference as there are tons of POD stores that would jump to sell these t-shirts.
     
  7. granville

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    The question isn't who won, but who did the least harm to their campaign. I think both did horribly. Not even really sure I can reasonably vote in this poll. Most of it was just a bunch of personal attacks with zero substance or policy from either candidate.

    Trump focused a lot on the "economy", or rather how he perceives it in terms of stock market value. And he grilled the Hunter Biden stuff. Hunter's finance scandals I do consider a serious concern (the cocaine and military discharge are not). Though i'm not sure if it will imprint itself in the public mind as Trump wants it to. Partly because he seems to struggle with understanding and explaining it himself. It also hasn't really caught as much public interest as all of Hillary's scandals. Also not sure how many people will still care about "stock value" with the mass unemployment and poverty going on. He has no healthcare plan and no way to counter any criticism about his handling of Covid.

    That said, Biden also didn't bring anything to the table either. Mostly just personal attacks on Trump, which ARE absolutely valid, but he largely failed to explain what he'd do better. He was even baited into waffling on his already weak and doomed healthcare plans. Not that there was ever any chance he'd be fighting for a universal healthcare system. He's owned by big pharma and the insurance industry and vowed to veto M4A even if the house and senate did miraculously pass it (and said this during the pandemic). He also didn't have any defense against the attacks on his son, he just got angry and said it was all lies.

    I do think Trump had the overall biggest single fuck-up of the night. His refusal to say what he'd do if he lost the election. Alongside his very unsubtle *wink wink hint hint* direction at his supporters to be at the ready if things don't go so well for him.

    In terms of composure, it was also an embarrassment all around. Trump acted like an obnoxious 2 year old who kept interrupting Biden with random incoherent babbling (even trying to argue with Wallace, who also did a horrendous job moderating). That said, it did have an intent which I noticed was actually somewhat successful- rattling Biden. Biden being constantly spoken over distracted and confused him, severely exacerbating his already shaky ability to speak. I'm almost inclined to give Trump the slight edge in this round. Not because he seemed more composed either, just because he succeeded in baiting and dragging Biden down to his toddler level and Biden embarrassingly struggled to contend with it.

    I don't think the debate will have swayed the bases of either candidate. People more on the fence however I don't know, I could see a lot of undecideds just sitting this election out or voting third party.
     
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  8. LumInvader

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    While I did prefer Biden's overall message over Trump's, I felt Trump rattled Biden quite a bit. I think Biden said, "Here's the deal" about 10 times. Ok, maybe not that often, but he leaned on that phrase a lot as a segway from Trump's constant interruptions.

    It's clear to me that Trump's plan all along was to constantly interrupt Biden in the hope Biden would lose his train of thought so he could fire "Sleepy Joe" zingers, but that tactic mostly backfired. While Trump's bait didn't generate the headline grabbing one liners he was looking for, it did lead to some personal attacks, which I don't believe would've happened quite as often in a "clean" debate where Trump's mic is turned off while Biden speaks. If the mic rule is enforced in the final two debates, Trump's biggest advantage -- chaos -- will be effectively neutralized.
     
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  9. UltraSUPRA

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    The person who won barely got to speak.
    The loser said "shut up".
     
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  10. PiracyForTheMasses

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    Biden refused to be inspected for an ear piece. Biden clearly had no train of thought and was definitely wearing an ear piece. You could tell by the way he was stumbling with his words that he was trying to listen to what Wallace or Trump was saying while also trying to listen to the voice in his ear piece. On top of that Wallace was clearly a biased moderator. Which is a perfect example for why media needs to stay out of politics.
     
  11. Clydefrosch

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    The fuck? He's a fox news moderator, what more do you want? If trump managed to make a fox news moderator appear biased against him and literally only because he did the bare minimum of mention that it wasn't his fucking turn to speak in the 80+ times he interrupted Biden, the problem isn't with the moderator.

    Also, why is gbatemp still allowing such dumpsterfire threads? It barely took a page for dozens of lies to be plastered in it and you know where this will end form the other 5000 threads that went exactly the same way in the last couple years.
     
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    You say that like any of this is trumps fault. U do know trump wanted to keep the country open. That would of kept people employed and unemployment numbers would of stayed at there all time low. (Doing that they wouldnt be able to make him look bad. And yeah peopke would of died. But in all honestly they still are just more spread out now instead of all in 2 weeks.) (Theres no way of knowing if more would of died if the country stayed open versus it shutting down and fucking everything up. Just a left ploy to use against trump and its there only weapon.) And how exactly was he suppost to handle covid 19. Its a fucking virus that has to run its corse until theres a cure. The left wants to shut down everything (except there stupid fuckin riots and protests. (If u can protest and riot might as well fucking work.)) They screamed shut down the country and now scream "its all trumps fault." Bunch of dumb fuckin americans just follow like sheep.
     
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    Anyone under the delusion that things would be different if Trump said that he "denounces racism" for the n-th time is a naive fool. This is just a ploy designed to separate Trump from his support base by making him disparage it. Nobody asks another person "excuse me, are you a racist?" in polite company, that's an attack on character. He said that people should "stand down" like he was told to do, and what's in today's headlines? "Trump commands his troops to await further instructions", or something stupid along those lines. The election is not about racism, xenophobia, the LGBTQ+, women's rights or any of that assorted nonsense - the election is, and always has been, about money. One side wants to take less of it and the other wants to throw it on a bonfire of virtuous causes that people are welcome to support in private, but shouldn't be forced to support by the long arm of the government. If Trump asked Biden "can you please tell your BLM troops to stand down and refrain from burning any more federal buildings or private businesses", he'd be asking the exact same gotcha question and nobody would raise an eyebrow if it was completely ignored, because it should be ignored. The question, in an out of itself, suggests that one has direct control of groups which they have no control over whatsoever.
     
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    These two geriatric retards are a great demonstration of why the government in general, and the presidency most especially, needs to have a lot less power & authority than it currently does.

    Its literally just a nursing home fight, we are the real losers here.
     
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  15. notimp

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    Because of one guy? That mostly hangs out on twitter and whos claim to fame is this:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-misinformation.html
    ?

    He cant sign presidential decrees on anything with lasting value, he can ruin international relations, but chances are that he didnt do that becaus he came up with an idea, but because the establishment low key wanted him to. Even currently the president essentially is a figurehead in anything but military decision making and a national crisis.

    And to his credit, he didnt start any wars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_president_of_the_United_States

    Apart from that he has veto powers on laws, but thats not that dangerous.

    The principle of 'separation of power' has to be put in pretty early to be able to claim yourself a democracy.

    A President in the best days is a motivator, with an idea, or a legislative agenda, that could potentialy bring the country forward, and then things start to happen, because people believe in that vision. Whats that with Trump? More golf courses in the Philippines?

    So he then signs decrees that either get overruled or contested by law if they exceed their mandate, and they go *poof* once they leave office.

    Oh, and he appointed judges, a metric ton of them, because of political position plays to hold open vacencies, thats lasting and thats another layer of said separation of power.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...cent-presidents-in-appointing-federal-judges/

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/trump-legacy-supreme-court-422058

    But on that I'm sure you are able to pressure other people into party picks, just as well...


    Oh, and he made extremism, more 'ok' in public speech and action, but thats not something you could blame the position for. Thats just people looking up to their leader figure and changing behavior.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...legacy-will-remain-regardless-of-the-election

    US president is the "most powerful man on earth" because the commands the US military, but apart from that...
    (In war you need delegation of responsibility to one person. Waging a war on 'consensus opinion' usually doesnt work so well. Cabinet comes up with plans, president decides. Military follows.)


    And isnt that what america wanted? The guy with the buillding background to find his legacy in appointing 200 judges to 'lifelong positions'?
     
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    Trump actually never speaks about jobs. He clearly talks about "jabs". He is the king of jabs.
     
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    Trump spoke for 39:06 minutes, compared to Biden's 37:56 minutes. That is not including the additional time he took by running his mouth through most of Biden's time and arguing with Wallace (who made no attempts to stop this other than request Trump abide by the rules, which he refused to do). Trump's voice encompassed at least 85% of the debate. Biden telling him to shut up was the only good thing that came out of this "debate".
     
  18. LumInvader

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    Well, it's not every day that someone throws a debunked Facebook conspiracy in my face. That much I will give you. However, the "story" itself is total horseshit. Either you believe this crap or you're just trolling, but either way you're on the record for spreading a debunked conspiracy theory.

    Debunked:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...n-being-wired-or-using-earpiece-idUSKBN26L3D0
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-joe-biden-wearing-earpiece-false/3578805001/
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/no-evidence-biden-was-wearing-a-wire-in-debate/

    Politifact.org also debunked this conspiracy theory, but I didn't post their link out of respect to conservatives who don't trust left wing media outlets. I couldn't find anything from the AP, or I would've listed them as well. Of the 3 I'm sharing, Reuters fact checking stood out the most.

    Media bias citations (all 3 websites rank as neutral):

    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/usa-today-media-bias
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reuters
    https://www.allsides.com/news-source/factcheckorg-media-bias
     
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    One of the items from the debate that Biden was insistent on:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/hunter-biden-burisma-payments-detailed-treasury-de/

    Treasury reports rebut Biden's 'totally false' claims about Hunter's cash haul

    “When somebody gets 3½ million dollars from the mayor of Moscow,” Mr. Trump said.
    “That’s is not true. That report is totally false,” Mr. Biden said.

    A Senate Republican report by the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee says Mr. Trump is right, though it was not Moscow’s mayor, but his wife, whom the U.S. suspects of corruption in attaining billionaire status.

    Hunter Biden received a single wire transfer of $3.5 million from Elena Baturina. The Senate report said she became a billionaire through illegal construction contracts awarded by her husband, since deceased.

    This is based on Treasury Department reports received by committee Chairman Ron Johnson, Wisconsin Republican, and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican.
     
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    Corruption is always allowed if you're a Democrat. Do you not watch the news?
     
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