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  1. Viri

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    Don't worry, there are plenty of people in the room, so he's allowed to be with another women. He just doesn't want to be alone with a women over dinner. And yes, Pence still exist, he'll probably be the one to break the tie for the next Supreme Court Judge if he's needed.
     
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    As a Trump supporter, there's probably assumptions about me that are not true.

    -I am not a Christian, while I believe something created us because how the F are we here, I don't believe in the bible. I believe it's the biggest scam ever.
    -I am whatever about abortion. I am not God to judge.
    -Gay rights is fine with me.
    -I don't nor have ever owned a gun

    Here's the big one. Do I think Trump is an asshole? Absolutely yes. The thing is, we need an asshole. As President you are dealing with leaders of other countries who can be some of the most evil people alive, it's not puppy dogs and rainbows. While he hasn't been perfect by any stretch, I think he's trying to mostly do what's best for the people. I didn't feel that way about Obama or Bush Jr. The media is against him like no other President in the history of our country and he's handled it pretty well. He's been a Democrat 3 different times and he was pretty much loved by all before he was a Republican President. He even won an award from Jesse Jackson for hiring so many black people but the day he became Republican President he was a "racist". If he was a Democrat and did everything the same I know the treatment would be very different. People forget how much especially in the beginning of his 2016 campaign and even after he was elected he was fighting with Republicans all the time. CNN and other media has done their job though they've lied so many times people believe he's Hitler reincarnated and it's not true.
     
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  3. omgcat

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    he's a "racist" because he doesn't even do the bare minimum to not be. routinely espouses xenophobic media, won't denounce white supremacists, promotes voter suppression, etc. like it's easy, just say "I do not support white supremacy". hell the phrasing "stand down, and stand by" indicates control of that group, on top of him saying "I am urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that's what has to happen". voter intimidation is a federal crime, and there is a long history of it in the south, when it comes to intimidating black voters. so you have someone who will not categorically denounce white supremacy, who then in the same debate, tells people to "go watch the polls", educated people can draw the line and make the connection.
     
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    I'm a Trump supporter, and I don't give a shit about abortions, if they're legal, or illegal, IDGAF.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure CNN told you all that. He doesn't promote voter suppression he denounces voter fraud. Dems will cheat anyway they can and there will definitely be some mail in voter fraud. Someone can go online right now and say I'm selling my vote and there are people doing that. That's not to mention other ways of exploiting mail in voting. If you want to vote you should be forced to go to a booth show your license and vote. It's not like there isn't safe social distancing that takes place there like everywhere else no one is staying in there home 24/7 anymore so there really isn't a reason for mail in voting yet it's happening anyway. Wouldn't you want a fair vote? Probably not. You probably think there isn't any mail in voting fraud but if somehow the roles were reversed and perhaps there would be voter fraud in Trump's favor you would 100% be speaking out against mail in voting. But since it benefits your senile favorite you're all for it.

    Black lives matter is a scam there were about 13 black men killed by cops last year and they were all committing crimes, there should be 0 yes but punish the cops that break the law and that's all. This thing was stirred up by Democrats to hurt Trump's chance of winning. They are very smart it's been very effective and may work. Also it's already been covered by someone else in this thread he did denounce them but Dems have a very broad definition of what white supremacy means. Probably anyone who is a white Republican.
     
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    Since we're back to this again I thought I'd bring these posts back up.

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    Dems are doing a good job (credit where credit is due) to make it where if you stand for the National Anthem you're a racist. They've just turned this country upside down and some people absolutely love it.
     
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    Basically promises to better handle the virus, climate change and jobs.

     
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    It's hard to read anything else you said because you don't pay attention. And given that it would seem to me you are not in any position to form a fair judgment of someone. Look at the video in this thread where Trump does EXACTLY what you claim he won't do with white supremacists NUMEROUS times over the years. 20 times at least. It's all on video.

    And here he is doing it officially in a posted statement. How can anyone even attempt to have a discussion with you if you are going to ignore reality?


    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-trump/

    As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

    And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

    Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

    We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
     
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    My takeaway was there was no winner. But I did note a few things...

    1. Biden looks 20 years older than trump and talks 10 times slower, like he's getting old.
    2. Biden needs to stop putting 100+ million to every number he says.
    3. Trump didn't come across as presidential.
    4. The moderator worded his questions to try and get Trump to argue. Trump bit on it every time.
    5. The moderator bailed Biden out of answering questions multiple times by moving on to the next question.
    6. Biden didn't give hardly any policy or plans during the debate. Everything he said was just anti-Trump.
    7. My biggest takeaway is that Biden will do whatever it takes to prevent Covid from getting worse and Trump isn't going to shut down the country again. They didn't outright say this, but that is what I gathered.

    This debate is unlikely to change anyone's minds. Trump supports are going to vote for him regardless, Democrats are going to vote for Biden. The question is... will anti-Trump get any votes this time? Part of Hillary's loss was anti-Hillary vote.
     
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    Is this a serious question? Most of BIden's votes will be due to anti-Trump.
     
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    Ok, so why didn't he during the debate? if it is so easy for him to do it, why didn't he? Also, i am not a single news source consumer. when MANY news sites are asking the same questions, or pointing out the same things, there might be something to the story. just about the only news source i dismiss out of hand is fox news. hell, fox new's legal stance on it own media is that ""'the general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "".

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/9177...s-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

    it is dangerous to only consume media from one side, or one source.
     
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    Interesting take, curious do you think there is any chance Biden might have potentially annoyed those more extreme progressives when he made it clear on a few points his standing? Things that he has done a pretty good job avoiding talking about. (I believe on purpose))
     
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    Who exactly is the racist? In addition this year Biden said black people ain't black if they vote for Trump. Damn, if I was black I would sure love for a white guy to say something like this.

    Mr. Biden’s “record” of putting down minorities is also part of his pattern. In 2007, speaking of Barack Obama, Mr. Biden told Jason Horowitz of The New York Observer: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    Last August, while speaking to the Asian and Latino Coalition in Des Moines, Iowa, Mr. Biden associated black people with poverty: “Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

    In 2006, while contemplating a run for president, Mr. Biden said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    In 1977, Mr. Biden worried about the results of certain desegregation policies: “Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point.”

    In 2010, Mr. Biden delivered a eulogy for former KKK Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd, who died in 2010: “He was a friend, he was a mentor and he was a guide.”

    In 2019, Mr. Biden bragged about working with Sen. James Eastland: “Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You’d get up and you’d argue like the devil with them. Then you’d go down and have lunch or dinner together.”

    James Eastland was for segregation who also said "the negro soldier was incapable of serving in combat" Biden's lunch buddy.

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    Ok Liberals, your rebuttal please.
     
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    Like the Green New Deal? Biden will get more moderate votes by being more moderate. He went further left than he ever has to get the democrat ticket. He caved on some of his strongest principles to get the ticket. Now he needs to be a little more moderate to get true Moderates and keep Moderate Democrats. He is going to annoy the Progressive Left, but he won't lose their vote.
     
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    Those are all valid points. Trump says 20+ times he denounces racism over time, they keep asking the same question. They just want the sound bite figuring Trump is going to say it in a way that they can sell as being racist(ignoring the FACT that he has denounced them so many times it is not funny) so they can all jump on it and push that narrative it would seem.

    What makes me feel like the democrats are hypocrites is that you have Kamala Harris who all but said she believes Biden is a racist in the primaries, and went as far as to say she 100% believed those that accuse Biden of sexual assault.

    Her taking that offer, what does that say to American women by her actions? That power means more to her than then morals depending on what is being offered? Seems like more typical behavior from career politicians. They just say what they believe people want to hear at the time, not genuine in any way shape or form. Biden has been doing that left and right, he is MILKING covid-19, pandering to black people with bald face lies, acting like he cares about what Cardi B has to say?

    Trump is an abrasive pompous man at times. But if you know anything about past history and leaders, that personality type can be very common with leaders that get things done.

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    I believe he could get more moderate votes if people have faith in him. With all the waffling and pandering he does I don't see that happening. Comes off too much like a car salesman just telling you WHATEVER it takes to get the deal done. Like Fracking, in 3 weeks he changed his mind 3 times from what I recall. And it is still not 100% crystal clear from my understanding. And I myself could see progressives being turned off and just not voting. It happened in 2016.

    I think Biden comes across as being weak. To be fair I thought he was night and day different in composure last night compared to his in person engagements over the last 3 weeks. (Very low bar though) To the point that people I know that was the main thing they spoke about, like how is that possible.
     
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    I hope @omgcat is alright. You doing alright buddy?
     
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    So as long as we were talking about racism. Can someone explain to me why so many think this quote from Trump is racist in nature?

    When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best — they’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us,” he said. “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    I never understood that.
     
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    all i see are a list of "gotchya's" that take events out of context, or respect for their time period.

    also those links don't even work.
     
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    Wow you may be the most blind person I've ever seen. I thought maybe you'd either not respond or at least say "well their both racist" but this is ridiculous. Well it tells me everything I need to know about you your mind can't be changed because it's weak. You keep doing you but Biden is a racist you know it and I know it keep telling yourself lies if you want.

    Excuse me about the link https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/27/joe-bidens-disturbing-pattern-of-putting-down-mino/
     
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