Who should pay for the US/Mexican wall?

Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by Taleweaver, Jan 9, 2019.

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  1. US citizens: we'll pay so much we'll become so poor the bad gringo's will steal elsewhere

    8 vote(s)
    4.2%
  2. Mexico: surely they don't want to make Trump look like a liar, right?

    15 vote(s)
    7.8%
  3. US millionaires and billionaires: because apparently they love putting walls around people they love

    12 vote(s)
    6.3%
  4. Donald J. Trump: the one person on the planet who's really passionate about building it

    48 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. No one: I'm with border specialists, congress and the democrats who believe it's a waste of money

    92 vote(s)
    47.9%
  6. I strongly object to the subjective nature of this poll! Also: I'm a sourpuss who doesn't get humor

    17 vote(s)
    8.9%
  1. Glyptofane

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    The wall would be effective as long as it is sufficiently patrolled and maintained. It's difficult to exactly compare it to other nations with effective border walls/fences though as theirs are infinitesimal compared to the size of US' southern border. Even those against the wall have shifted the argument from being ineffective to being immoral and impossible to maintain.

    Trump says illegal immigration costs US $200 billion annually while his enemies admit at least $54 billion on the low end. The numbers are all over the place on everything depending on the agenda of who their coming from, but the max maintenance cost is pegged around $750 million annually, so it would really only need to stop of a fraction of illegals in order to break even.
     
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  2. Rioluwott

    Rioluwott GBAtemp Advanced Fan

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    I think building and maintaining the wall would cost a lot and i don´t think mexico has the money to actually build it we have our own problems, the wall wouldn´t stop all the immigration even if is supervised, being able to go legally to usa is quite difficult and cost a lot even if you have all the papers and the money they can decline if they think you are going to usa to work so that makes people go illegally(in my own opinion)
    btw how has usa changed since trump became president im curious
     
  3. A country has its rights to protect themselves from outsiders who intend on entering illegally. If anyone wants to visit/join a country then it needs to be done legally. Maybe, maybe a wall isn't necessary but stricter border controls are and none should be able to get from one country to another illegally.

    A borderless country is the same as allowing anyone to step into your house.
     
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  4. kuwanger

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    For the first part, yes, sort of. The supposed stolen jobs are often ones where employers are paying below minimum wage, demanding unpaid overtime, etc. The most effective strategy to combat this would be to punish employers who hire illegals, Mexican or otherwise. For the last part, flu shots? Really? At least bring up a disease that can be long-term vaccinated against. The whole reason we have yearly flu globally is flu changes rapidly and precisely because we have global movement of people, no illegals required. If you want to halt all movement of people to stop the spread of flu and other diseases, good luck. Otherwise, such an argument is pointless.

    One, a large percentage of people in the US illegal came here legally and overstayed their visa. Two, actually holding people for the crime of illegal entry/overstaying their visa instead of repeated deportation would likely do a lot to reduce people's inclination to enter or overstaying their visa. Three, see above about punishing employers for hiring illegals. Having said all that, yes, a wall would probably substantially reduce illegal immigration by land if sufficiently patrolled and maintained. Do you have any idea how expensive that'd actually be, though, not even counting the cost of building the wall?
     
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  5. jt_1258

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    I alect that if the wall will go in wethere we like it or not that it be an electric fence instead. Electric type moves are super affective against human types.
     
  6. Rioluwott

    Rioluwott GBAtemp Advanced Fan

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    i think they can always dig below and get in, and as we know ground is immune to electric type moves
     
  7. Illegals could do that but most of the time they don't and they try to get in the easiest or convenient way.

     
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  8. bitjacker

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    If mexico does not pay for it, that should be the end of it. Using emergency powers can't authorize funding.
    How about we fix the real problem? if anyone knows of people paying illegals to work for wages that are less than what a legal worker makes, tell on them! The illegals are not the problem, the exploitation of them is...
    There needs to be harsh punishment for employers not having workers pay taxes, like maybe dissolve companies (that money would go to charity) and put upper management of that company in prison doing work until the taxes that were not paid get paid. Then when that is done, they loose their u.s. citizenship. The exploited "illegals" should be given full citizenship. And some money for college.
    Greed is the problem.
     
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  9. azoreseuropa

    azoreseuropa GBAtemp Guru

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    I am not talking about just FLU.. Its pointless but I am talking about new viruses. Thats something else.
     
  10. Memoir

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    Well, we're already in debt and our taxes go nowhere.. Why not? Let's foot the bill!
     
  11. kuwanger

    kuwanger GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    If you're worried about "new viruses", then be prepared to entirely close the borders to all travel; it's not as if we have vaccines for them, so all travel risks spreading such disease. If you're talking about know viruses with vaccines, then perhaps you should actually look at Mexico's Immunization Schedule and compare it to the United State's Immunization Schedule to see what few diseases it may make sense for each other country to adopt. Or you could complain about one country--*cough*the US*cough*--where parents seem to be regularly ignoring government recommendations and causing measles outbreaks. Finally, if you're still concerned about it, perhaps the best medicine would for the world to better coordinate mandatory vaccinations--excluding the few people with compromised immune systems or sufficiently young--to work towards eliminating known diseases. I mean, that's costly and difficult to manage, but it'd seem the best way to actually combat your stated fears.
     
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  12. Skittyusedcovet

    Skittyusedcovet Gbatemp’s Favourite Skitty

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    Trump might as well build himself a mote with a wall and incase himself into the wall so he can never leave it. He can only leave it when he grows up and realizes what he did wrong. At least then he will have his dumb wall and the rest of the world will be happy.
     
  13. jt_1258

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    wouldn't that be a normal type move?
    ...gonna be honest, I probably shouldn't be making Pokémon jokes about imigration issues but I can't help it XD
     
  14. Skittyusedcovet

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    Dig is a ground type move not a normal type. At least you have two turns to prepare for it. lol
     
  15. azoreseuropa

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    LOL
     
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    Wow, a wall, that'll sure stop people from using boats, airplanes and tunnels from coming over!
     
  17. slaphappygamer

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    Sad story is if trump ever gets his head out his ass and actually builds this wall, the next president is obligated to maintain it. Trump won’t maintain it himself, he will probably outsource the job. The next president will have their hands tied maintaining. Donald doesn’t care who follows him, this is what he wants and he doesn’t care what you think. Anyway, that just a wall in one area. I don’t think Donald knows that people come over by boat and air also. We actually need a bubble!
     
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  18. Lacius

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    The wall started as a mnemonic trick from his advisors to get him to talk about immigration policy in a way that was simple enough for him to remember: "Build a wall." Anything else about immigration would have been too complicated for him.
     
  19. Tigran

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    This is what he LITERALLY wants it to be.
     

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  20. Xzi

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    There's really no debate here, a wall is a stupid idea in modern times. There are effective solutions to securing the border, but those are the solutions that Trump wants nothing to do with. It seems Republicans are just going to have to wait for a better man with bigger ideas before there's any real progress made in this area.
     
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