Hacking When are we going to get Haxchi for Free?

[Madridi]

I understand the op.
Haxchi itself is free but the games on which it depends are not
They are very cheap butI It also depends on the wiiu eshop.
So what if wiiu eshop closes.

It would be great if some clever person finds a way to Install haxchi over for example a system app like health and safety....

That’s not going to work though.

Haxchi is an exploit is in the DS emulator on the wii. It’s not like it was planned intentionally that it would only work with a purchased title.

Yes it’s not ideal but it’s the only one possible for the scope of this exploit. So if we need a free exploit, it will have to be something else. It won’t be haxchi.

As for “what to do when eshop closes”, we have a stable browser exploit for latest version now. That will never disappear as one can host it themselves

 

[Lacius]

I understand the op.
Haxchi itself is free but the games on which it depends are not
They are very cheap butI It also depends on the wiiu eshop.
So what if wiiu eshop closes.

It would be great if some clever person finds a way to Install haxchi over for example a system app like health and safety....

That’s not going to work though.

Haxchi is an exploit is in the DS emulator on the wii. It’s not like it was planned intentionally that it would only work with a purchased title.

Yes it’s not ideal but it’s the only one possible for the scope of this exploit. So if we need a free exploit, it will have to be something else. It won’t be haxchi.

As for “what to do when eshop closes”, we have a stable browser exploit for latest version now. That will never disappear as one can host it themselves

Mocha CFW will always work with the browser, and you can see my previous post about a possible free alternative in the future.

 

[Madridi]

Mocha CFW will always work with the browser, and you can see my previous post about a possible free alternative in the future.

You are missing the point. The topic is about the exploit itself. Haxchi could even be implemented to run in similar fashion to mocha after you run web exploit.

As it stands, we have have 2 exploits:
- Browser exploit (which can be used to launch anything)
- DS emulator exploit (which is what haxchi relies on, obviously not free due to its nature)

 

[Lacius]

You are missing the point. The topic is about the exploit itself. Haxchi could even be implemented to run in similar fashion to mocha after you run web exploit.

As it stands, we have have 2 exploits:
- Browser exploit (which can be used to launch anything)
- DS emulator exploit (which is what haxchi relies on, obviously not free due to its nature)

My points were:

1. Mocha will always work with the browser exploit, so worrying about the closure of the Wii U eShop is wasted energy
2. There is a possibility of a free CBHC-like application in the future, using vWii and the boot1 exploit I mentioned earlier.

I don't think I missed anything.

 

[snoofly]

cbhc debate still live and well after so many years!
installed it when it came out and never looked back
understand both sides of the fence, one click v no click, so i guess it’s a personal 0.1%risk/reward kind of thing

 

[Madridi]

My points were:

1. Mocha will always work with the browser exploit, so worrying about the closure of the Wii U eShop is wasted energy
2. There is a possibility of a free CBHC-like application in the future, using vWii and the boot1 exploit I mentioned earlier.

I don't think I missed anything.

Mocha was never the point. Cfw is never the point. People are not mentioning haxchi for its cfw ability. They are mentioning it for its “one click exploit” that has the cfw ability.

When they are asking for free haxchi, because the only problem with that method is that it’s not free.

We know a browser exploit exists and we know mocha exists. So that’s not the argument here.

As for your second point, yes that’s what I said. There will never be a free haxchi cause that’s not how the exploit works. But there might be something else that works in similar fashion.

That said, I wouldn’t count on vwii and boot1 exploits simply due to the fact that there seems to be next to zero interest from anyone who has the capability in looking in to these things.

 

[Lacius]

Mocha was never the point. Cfw is never the point. People are not mentioning haxchi for its cfw ability. They are mentioning it for its “one click exploit” that has the cfw ability.

When they are asking for free haxchi, because the only problem with that method is that it’s not free.

We know a browser exploit exists and we know mocha exists. So that’s not the argument here.

As for your second point, yes that’s what I said. There will never be a free haxchi cause that’s not how the exploit works. But there might be something else that works in similar fashion.

That said, I wouldn’t count on vwii and boot1 exploits simply due to the fact that there seems to be next to zero interest from anyone who has the capability in looking in to these things.

Mocha is functionally identical to Haxchi, except that it has to be loaded from the browser, so it's relevant to the topic, and people scrolling through this thread now or years later should understand that it's a viable free alternative to Haxchi. It's also the only free alternative right now.

Everything else in your post is repeating what I've already said in this topic, so we are not in disagreement.

 

[blahblah]

:C So no free Haxchi right now.

Is the difference between free and $8 really that great?

 

[Lacius]

Is the difference between free and $8 really that great?

$8.00 isn't a big deal, and I'd gladly pay that if it were my only option. However, I use Mocha instead of Haxchi because of the price. I almost never need to use CFW anyway.

 

[blahblah]

$8.00 isn't a big deal, and I'd gladly pay that if it were my only option. However, I use Mocha instead of Haxchi because of the price. I almost never need to use CFW anyway.

I did that for a while. I eventually bought Haxchi when 5.5.3 dropped and we didn't have a reliable WebKit exploit. But we have a reliable one now, so shrug.

 

[Lacius]

I did that for a while. I eventually bought Haxchi when 5.5.3 dropped and we didn't have a reliable WebKit exploit. But we have a reliable one now, so shrug.

I never allowed my browser to update. Even though I'm on 5.5.3, I'm still using the 5.5.1 version of the internet browser.

 

[blahblah]

I never allowed my browser to update. Even though I'm on 5.5.3, I'm still using the 5.5.1 version of the internet browser.

Smart, smart.

 

[Madridi]

Mocha is functionally identical to Haxchi, except that it has to be loaded from the browser, so it's relevant to the topic, and people scrolling through this thread now or years later should understand that it's a viable free alternative to Haxchi. It's also the only free alternative right now.

Everything else in your post is repeating what I've already said in this topic, so we are not in disagreement.

I understand all of that. But I'm saying the topic is not about what you are saying. We (supposedly) all know a browser exploit exists (In fact, it existed before haxchi), and mocha can be launched from there.

What they want is free Haxchi. Specifically Haxchi. And that will never happen due to how haxchi works (contenthax + DS emulator exploit)

So the only thing semi relevant is probably the vwii and boot1, but even that is not totally relevant as that, if achieved (and that will probably never happen at this point), will not be haxchi. It will be a new exploit. It would work similar to haxchi, but it still wont be haxchi.

The question is about getting haxchi for free, and that's not possible due to how it works. It would be probably possible if there was a DS demo on eshop.
It's not about whether there are alternatives. Cause as we both mentioned before, there obviously is (and it's stickied!)

 

[Lacius]

I understand all of that. But I'm saying the topic is not about what you are saying. We (supposedly) all know a browser exploit exists (In fact, it existed before haxchi), and mocha can be launched from there.

What they want is free Haxchi. Specifically Haxchi. And that will never happen due to how haxchi works (contenthax + DS emulator exploit)

So the only thing semi relevant is probably the vwii and boot1, but even that is not totally relevant as that, if achieved (and that will probably never happen at this point), will not be haxchi. It will be a new exploit. It would work similar to haxchi, but it still wont be haxchi.

The question is about getting haxchi for free, and that's not possible due to how it works. It would be probably possible if there was a DS demo on eshop.
It's not about whether there are alternatives. Cause as we both mentioned before, there obviously is (and it's stickied!)

First, we're not in disagreement about anything other than the fact that Mocha should at least be acknowledged, since some people might depend on a free option. Second, Brain Training was actually free in Europe for a time. It might still be, if certain requirements are met by the user.

 

[Madridi]

First, we're not in disagreement about anything other than the fact that Mocha should at least be acknowledged, since some people might depend on a free option. Second, Brain Training was actually free in Europe for a time. It might still be, if certain requirements are met by the user.

Mocha acknowledged: Sure, but it has nothing to do with the topic. This already exists.
Brain age: Free for a certain time, in one region. Hardly means anything

 

[Lacius]

Mocha acknowledged: Sure, but it has nothing to do with the topic. This already exists.
Brain age: Free for a certain time, in one region. Hardly means anything

First you say acknowledging Mocha as an effective free Haxchi alternative is irrelevant, and now you're saying that acknowledging a literal free Haxchi is irrelevant? Did I offend you somehow?

 

[Madridi]

First you say acknowledging Mocha as an effective free Haxchi alternative is irrelevant, and now you're saying that acknowledging a literal free Haxchi is irrelevant? Did I offend you somehow?

I am not sure why you are taking anything said as offensive. Quite the opposite, you are one of the best users around here in my opinion. I am just pointing out that what your mentioning, while correct, is not the subject matter to begin with.

As for what you wrote, in that case, why not simply run sigpatch2hbl or sigpatch2sysmenu (hbl program by dimok, can’t remember its exact names). We can go on and on about stuff that we can use, but it all boils down it being not the exploit itself.

The exploit itself is browserhax. While it’s a viable option and alternative (and I would argue a better option since that can never disappear especially now that it’s reliable), it remains not what is being asked in this thread. The users are not asking about an alternative to haxchi, they are asking for free haxchi.

As for your second point, yes it means nothing. That free game is irrelevant cause it’s all in the past. It’s no longer the case, and it’s not applicable for everyone to begin with. We can’t claim free haxchi NOW for something that USED TO exist. So it’s irreverent. It doesn’t answer the main question:
When can we have free haxchi?

The answer remains.. never. Well, unless Nintendo decides to make a compatible title for free, which won’t happen, especially that they moved away from the Wii U.

 

[Lacius]

I am not sure why you are taking anything said as offensive. Quite the opposite, you are one of the best users around here in my opinion. I am just pointing out that what your mentioning, while correct, is not the subject matter to begin with.

As for what you wrote, in that case, why not simply run sigpatch2hbl or sigpatch2sysmenu (hbl program by dimok, can’t remember its exact names). We can go on and on about stuff that we can use, but it all boils down it being not the exploit itself.

The exploit itself is browserhax. While it’s a viable option and alternative (and I would argue a better option since that can never disappear especially now that it’s reliable), it remains not what is being asked in this thread. The users are not asking about an alternative to haxchi, they are asking for free haxchi.

As for your second point, yes it means nothing. That free game is irrelevant cause it’s all in the past. It’s no longer the case, and it’s not applicable for everyone to begin with. We can’t claim free haxchi NOW for something that USED TO exist. So it’s irreverent. It doesn’t answer the main question:
When can we have free haxchi?

The answer remains.. never. Well, unless Nintendo decides to make a compatible title for free, which won’t happen, especially that they moved away from the Wii U.

1. CFW using browserhax is an important option to acknowledge when someone wants something like Haxchi for free. I don't see the point in calling that irrelevant.
2. Brain Training can still be obtained by some people for free (e.g. if they downloaded it already), and they might not even know it. It's also worth acknowledging the history of free Haxchi in this thread for posterity.

Saying the above are irrelevant implies that I shouldn't have even posted in the thread. That can be taken to be rude.

 

[Madridi]

1. CFW using browserhax is an important option to acknowledge when someone wants something like Haxchi for free. I don't see the point in calling that irrelevant.
2. Brain Training can still be obtained by some people for free (e.g. if they downloaded it already), and they might not even know it. It's also worth acknowledging the history of free Haxchi in this thread for posterity.

Saying the above are irrelevant implies that I shouldn't have even posted in the thread. That can be taken to be rude.

I never said browserhax in general doesn’t deserve to be acknowledged, or it isn’t a viable option. I said it’s irrelevant to the scope of the thread. The scope of the thread is strictly related to “having free haxchi”.

Brain age being downloaded already means it’s already purchased (yes, free stuff counts as a purchase), so that doesn’t really mean anything since anything purchased can be redownloaded.

I apologize of how the word irrelevant came across, but after this back and forth I would trust that you know exactly what I mean by it? No offense is intended.

As for the implication tha you shouldn’t have posted in this thread. My replies were strictly to your quote to me in post #22.

Anyway, let’s put this to rest. I think we can all agree that:
- Unless Nintendo makes a compatible title for free, free haxchi will never happen. It just how this exploit works
- For future proofing, use browserhax.
- While unlikely, other methods similar to haxchi (vwii or boot1 exploit) might exist one day. But they are still not haxchi. It will be something different, and it’s very unlikely that any of it will even happen at this point.

 

[Lacius]

I never said browserhax in general doesn’t deserve to be acknowledged, or it isn’t a viable option. I said it’s irrelevant to the scope of the thread. The scope of the thread is strictly related to “having free haxchi”.

Brain age being downloaded already means it’s already purchased (yes, free stuff counts as a purchase), so that doesn’t really mean anything since anything purchased can be redownloaded.

I apologize of how the word irrelevant came across, but after this back and forth I would trust that you know exactly what I mean by it? No offense is intended.

As for the implication tha you shouldn’t have posted in this thread. My replies were strictly to your quote to me in post #22.

It's implied by the OP's original post that he might not be aware of Mocha. Given that and the fact that the scope of the thread wasn't strictly related to Haxchi and nothing else, I respectfully disagree. In other words, merely asking about free Haxchi doesn't exclude topics of free alternatives to Haxchi. If the OP had said, "When are we going to get free Haxchi? And I'm not talking about Mocha or anything else. I mean only Haxchi," then that would be another story.

Anyway, let’s put this to rest. I think we can all agree that:
- Unless Nintendo makes a compatible title for free, free haxchi will never happen. It just how this exploit works
- For future proofing, use browserhax.
- While unlikely, other methods similar to haxchi (vwii or boot1 exploit) might exist one day. But they are still not haxchi. It will be something different, and it’s very unlikely that any of it will even happen at this point.

Yes.