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  1. Pro marriage, Pro adoption

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  2. Pro marriage, Against adoption

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  3. Against marriage, Pro adoption

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  4. Against marriage, Against adoption

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  5. I'm against LGBT people

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  1. Song of storms

    Song of storms GBAtemp Advanced Fan
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    The internet makes the younger generations as "nosy" as the oldest ones. Always pushing their agenda 100% in a "with or against me" kind of nosense war. And then they're surprised when someone like Trump won the elections.
     
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    It's just a matter of time. And soon, they will conquer the world!

    You were just born into this world my friend. Your time will come.
     
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  3. PanTheFaun

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    I really don't have a problem with same sex marriage or adoption. The only problem I have is that homosexuals tend to be very liberal. Haha.
     
  4. WhiteX

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    Gay give me no money
    Gay take me no money
    Mischa no care
     
  5. FAST6191

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    If the religion/temple wants to perform a legally binding marriage then you get to play by legal standards. If they want to perform their own rituals outside of that (I refer back to my earlier comment wherein I cared little for marriage as a legal concept) then they can be bigoted I guess, bit sad really but club business and all that. I see no reason why people can't discuss said silliness within a club though, and make others aware of it, even more so if said club purports to be the most morally upstanding way to live life.
     
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    Calling others you disagree with bigots seem to be a thing now. Weird thing is that this sort of criticism always come from people living in societies that were only possible because those bigots had some values, and are now heading to decadency because those values are being abandoned.
     
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    Well..
    a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
    I do think not accepting gay people would be considered bigoted.
     
  8. Sophie-bear

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    Well, as an LGBT person who'd like to both get married someday and adopt, I don't see why I'd be against either.

    On top of that, with all the children in "the system" all around the world looking for good homes, I don't see how someone would be against the latter, especially pro-lifers who believe parents without means to care for a child should have to give birth if they're ever to conceive.

    Children deserve a good life with a good family, regardless of that family's make-up. All families are different, but a good family can come in any shape or size.
     
  9. FAST6191

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    Casting aspersions is one thing however

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
    That is pretty accurate for most of the major religions under discussion, whether you use their internal logic (telling an atheist to go to hell is a rather different concept to one that believes in such notions) or external ones.

    Equally were they responsible for such things or did they hold back such changes? Given not everywhere abandoned religion at the same rate we have some nice points of comparison.

    Similarly what is wrong with decadence?
     
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  10. Lilith Valentine

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    It's not about agreeing, his reasoning doesn't make sense. He's against one issue for reasons that have nothing to do with that issue. I was interested in knowing more, but learning more only brought about confusion. His reason was because of selective breeding, which has nothing to do with surrogacy. I am not asking him to agree with surrogacy, but trying to explain that his reasons against it are unfounded and not even related to surrogacy. A simple example, it would be like saying, "I don't like hot dogs because cat food is also made of meat." Yeah, both are made out of meat, but why does cat food being meat effect anyone's reason for not liking hot dogs? Going back to this topic, his reason was, "I don't agree with surrogacy because of selective breeding." Why would selective breeding be an issue with surrogacy? They aren't the same thing and putting them together as if they were is nonsensical.
    As for the opinion on the LGBT, honestly most people don't have a logical argument against the LGBT. It's often just the same "Mah holy book!" and "But sex were made for babies!" which have just become logical fallacies at this point. People are slowly realizing that the anti-LGBT stance isn't a stance that needs to be respected.
    I am actually pretty sure that I am older than you. Equally you made the comment, did you not expect anyone to question you? I never once said I was against you (even though I am obviously pro-surrogacy,) but I did explain the logical fallacies you were using and issues with your stance on the topic of surrogacy. Do note, you were the one who brought the topic up.
     
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    No, that is not very accurate. Religions are bound to a few beliefs, usually written on their sacred texts. You just don't go around calling people who believe/think they need to preserve those beliefs bigots, as that does not equal to hatred or intolerance like a lot of screaming people like to claim.
    By that logic, everybody trying to change those beliefs could also be defined as bigots due to their obstinate and intolerant campaigns against them we have seen in the recent years.

    I don't get the last question. Are you asking what is wrong with people abandoning the key beliefs that created our societies? That would be like taking the foundations of a building out, the smallest breeze could take it all down.
     
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    Would that first part not be equivalent to "I was just following orders"? But yes I would judge those espousing such beliefs against my baseline for such things and such things have long come up wanting.

    For the second part then one could ponder good bigotry and bad bigotry I guess, however I am not necessarily seeing the obstinate and intolerant part being front and centre. "You are free to believe what you want to believe, however in no way do you have the right to not be called on it" is in play and while most focus on the second the first is still of vital importance.

    We may differ on what we consider key beliefs, and possibly the origins of them. For the latter then I often hear of Christian values (despite their massive variability at times) where there most values it espouses predate it (or are possibly even handed to us from biology and evolution) and many later ones postdate it (enlightenment thinking and all that). There is a current concern where I am seeing some depart from what I considered fundamental modes of operation in society, indeed I believe we have both in threads where such things were at the forefront of discussion but none of that was really an artefact of the religious era.
     
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    bc ur on a community where most people like the try and shove their opinions down ur throat as well as over popularize it because it never gets the time of day irl
     
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    My dad is homosexual and I was raised in a lie between my dad and my mom, I suffered from that and kinda lacked a father's figure because he wasn't comfortable, I had to work on myself a lot as a teenager but I think that if your parents love themselves enough to have children they will be good parents, no matter their sex.

    We now live in a whole different era than when I grew up and kids won't be as toxic to others for these reasons, seeing the poll's result is comforting.
     
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    I know that this is a rather complex topic, so many differences in opinions and so on, see, my brother is currently a partner with another man. He's engaged, and I'm glad that he finally found someone to share his life with. I want the best for him and I'm glad that he's happy :P
     
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    don't really care for either of them, but i am against both of them

    same-sex marriage and adoption on top of that is just a recipe for a bad childhood
     
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    Both should be allowed.

    I'm nearly 30 years old and have heard just about ever argument there is in opposition to same sex marriage. I have yet to hear a single good and rational one.

    For adoption, in cases where the only two choices are a happy and loving same-sex couple or else remaining a ward of the state, who the hell would think the latter is preferable to the former?
     
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  18. MasterJ360

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    My mom isn't married to the same sex, but she has been dating women ever since I was a kid. I naturally got used to it overtime I was never really bothered or ashamed. Just felt like I had 2 mothers taking care of me
     
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    Expect research shows that same-sex parents don't have a negative effect on children and children of same-sex parents grow up just fine. It's often been shown that the only real issue is bullying, which is a cultural issue and not an issue actually caused by same-sex marriage/adoption.
     
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  20. Drak0rex

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    I think same sex marriage is fine and dandy, but same sex divorce should be illegal. They fought for it, let them live with it. :evil:
     
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