What would $20 get you in your preferred gaming genre?

Discussion in 'General Gaming Discussion' started by FAST6191, Jul 11, 2019 at 7:02 PM.

  1. AbyssalMonkey

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    Great. Actual commentary on the issue. That doesn't invalidate the current argument though. It's simply pointing out that it may be brought up with simultaneous ulterior motives. Ulterior motives do not invalidate valid arguments.


    On topic still: Child of Light is a nice game that doesn't outstay it's welcome.
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/256290/Child_of_Light/

    Divinity Original Sin (Enhanced Edition):
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/373420/Divinity_Original_Sin__Enhanced_Edition/
    It goes on sale like 4 times a year down to about $11USD
     
  2. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

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    I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry that you bought a sob story sold by a developer looking for pity in an effort to make a name for himself, and make some dough on the side. Once again, it's a chargeback, not a magical unicorn. The code was produced at some point, and if it was generated illegitimately, the money is returned to its rightful owner. If Mr.Rose doesn't have fraud insurance, he should renegotiate with his bank. Regarding the ownership of codes, the marketplace of origin is irrelevant, the code is a manifestation of a license to use software. Mr.Rose doesn't sell doughnuts, he sells software. There is no instance where someone buys a doughnut with "fake" money, eats the doughnut and Mr.Rose makes a loss equivalent to one doughnut. In the case of a legitimate sale, a license is transferred from one user to the other on the secondary marketplace. If it was illegitimate, the license that was previously sold becomes revoked and Mr.Rose must necessarily bear the "cost" of that return, if any. It *is* how business works, it's how it always worked, as the right to resell is a fundamental element of digital rights. If he doesn't understand the financials of his own business venture, that's his problem. G2A has already proclaimed that they will happily compensate 10x any losses an indie developer suffered *on the proviso* that they can prove them, to a thunderous chorus of nothing. This isn't about "justice", this is about boosting Rose's public profile, selling some games to saps who will feel bad for him and, possibly, not dealing with as many returns, which has never been a problem until 5 minutes ago when Mr.Rose invented it. Remember, it's okay to "steal" from big companies, but not from indies, because that's a different kind of theft, apparently. If anything, this is a failure on the part of banking institutions and/or primary storefronts who allowed an illegitimate transaction to take place *and* charge the developer for it when they've incurred minimal to no loss on their part.
     
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  3. UltraSUPRA

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    Platformer: MegaMan X Legacy Collection
    Fighting game: Power Stone
    Shooter: Doom 3 BFG Edition
    RPG: Persona 5
    Hack-n'-slash: Hyrule Warriors

    Each game I just listed is twenty bucks at most. I also have all these games.
     
  4. Fugelmir

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    I'd never heard of that site... but skyrim for 10 bucks... Oblivion for 6 bucks. Skyblivion awaits!
     
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  5. Ecko3351

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    Rainbow six siege.
     
  6. Clydefrosch

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    It gets you a modern version of final Fantasy 1 which is as good a place as any to start with jrpgs.
     
  7. brickmii82

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    I could probably get a Wii for 20$. Hack it and play retro stuff
     
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  8. zxr750j

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    20 bucks could get me a small dsi, memory pit, advance wars and some pokemon roms.
     
  9. Budsixz

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    wasnt witcher 3 for like 15$ on PSN?
     
  10. Pokem

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    Kiseki games when they're on sale

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    Holy crap, just read the comments of this thread. The lack of mention of the Kiseki games when it comes to JRPG is a crime!
     
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  11. Ryccardo

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    I thought of that two pages ago... but the batteries for the wiimote push it over the budget, heh
     
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  12. Foxi4

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    I'll raise you to a DS Lite - you can get them for pennies these days and they'll give you access to the tremendous library of GBA and DS games, it's one of the best, if not the quintessential portable to own with a wealth of retail games and homebrew, I can't recommend it enough.
     
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  13. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Hollow knight. Worth every penny.
     
  14. Taleweaver

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    So... You basically recommend a game that you don't recommend? :unsure:
     
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    On the side topic of G2A and how the keys are obtained, I would love to know how they are selling Windows 10 Pro for under 14 bucks? If the keys are not being obtained via credit card fraud... Also the explanation needs to include a number of keys likely in the thousands? I mean if I use a stolen CC number I probably won't just buy 1 copy, I would probably buy as many as I could to maximize my profits.

    The charge back issue is one I am intimately familiar with, I worked for a company that handled a lot of fraudulent charges... Avoiding charge backs was critical at the time because once we went over a certain % of charge backs VS "sales" the companies merchant account was black listed. Black listed means we could no longer charge credit cards under that account and it essentially killed off that "business". The bank eats none of the cost it's the merchant that has to pay and the customer. Banks are like casino's they don't lose.

    I suspect the whole credit card fraud thing is being under estimated, buying blocks of credit card numbers and credentials is a thing.... (see above)
     
  16. popokakapetu

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    Same here i bought Trails in the sky series on steam/GOG and Trails of Cold Steel 1&2 on ps4 and cant wait to get my hands on Cold steel 3 and hopefully we get Cold steel 4 translated in future.
     
  17. AbyssalMonkey

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    Why you claim I bought into a story when I literally haven't picked a side is beyond me. I literally said in the post that the logic being used by you was incoherent. That's all. You also seem to think that I'm somehow against resale, which is why you would have brought it up. I posted earlier, in an unedited post, nay, at the bottom of that same post that you in fact quoted, that I was not and in fact all for it.

    On the matter of chargebacks: fraud protection and dealing with the fraudulent sale at or near the time of sale would be best. I have very little knowledge of fraud protection, so I'll refrain from commenting further on that.

    But on the point of sale rejection: depending on how they are bought, it may be difficult or impossible to detect. If one credit card buys like 5 copies, not withstanding even more, that would probably be a flag. However, if the fraudster only buys a single copy with a single credit card, there is nothing there to flag it as illegitimate, especially if they do other tactics such as change accounts per purchase (one account only needs one copy of the game) and space the purchases out (selling 100 copies in one hour is probably a huge spike and a red flag for anomalous activity), then the purchases will look like any other legitimate purchases and will be impossible to detect.

    On that same matter, since you seemed to have dragged me into it, I'll bite and point out red flags that G2A could solve on their end that would quiet this mess anyway. If a person who isn't an official reseller somehow manages to acquire an absurd amount of keys to sell for a single game perhaps that should be marked as a red flag on their end? At the very least, something to look in to.

    EDIT: Fuck it. After reading my weekly update on Factorio, they also decided to weigh in on the matter. Let's see how well G2A's "We'll pay back 10x the chargeback fees" actually holds up under scrutiny. The guys at Wube are going to try it out.

    Continuing to be more on topic than apparently half this thread:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/286160/Tabletop_Simulator/
    I've sunk 500 hours into it playing various board games with other people.
     
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  18. Foxi4

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    Often times there is no transaction to track - downloads when distributed as codes are usually freebies or review copies, and it's not unusual to come across a stack of those. On their end, G2A is offering a middle point solution by suggesting a tool which will enable developers to disallow resale of codes that are review samples, freebies or add-ons to other products - this way codes that were obtained "for free" cannot be resold. The credit card fraud is a problem that they virtually cannot tackle as the operating storefront here is the primary, not the secondary store - it's something PSN, XBL, Steam, Origin etc. need to tackle. In the absence of G2A the exact same codes would be sold on eBay, Gumtree or private forums, this is not G2A's fault and not within their ability to fix. I personally have stacks of codes that I could theoretically sell, but don't because it's scummy to sell something that I obtained for free in my line of work (in fact, it would be considered profiteering), but I can't expect everyone to uphold the same moral standard. It's not that I'm lumping you in with one side, you seem erudite enough to understand that the situation is a little bit more nuanced, but you did seem to paint G2A as a villain here when they're clearly not one - they verify if the code is valid at the point of resale, that's the best they can do as far as I'm concerned. They're also trying to outstretched their hand to the developers, even if Mr.Rose's demands are somewhat outrageous. I don't think he's in any way entitled to interfere with their business and his actions are very clearly disrupting it, hence the attempts at mediation by G2A. I can't help but think that he's motivated by self-interest, in spite of what he's saying publicly, and I'm pretty good at spotting a scam when I see one. I imagine the sales of his games have skyrocketed since he spun this controversy, although I would have to verify that before stating that as fact.

    Anywho, games for $20 or less - how about free? Apex Legends is a title I've sunk an inordinate amount of time into and can recommend it to anyone who likes high pressure team shooters. Say what you will about Battle Royal games, Alex does it right and feels pretty unique, blending mechanics known from Titanfall or Mirror's Edge with a competitive squad-based gadget mechanics of Rainbow 6. Give it a go, it's good stuff.
     
  19. Ryccardo

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    They cost a bit more than 20 around here (and more than triple of that after you add a quality DS flashcard and an ezflash 3in1) but in fact I bought one a year and something ago, and fully agree it's hard to beat on games+toys+media-for-your-buck ratio :)
     
  20. RedBlueGreen

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    You might be able to find Persona 4 Golden for $20.
     
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