What sources back up the anti-vaccine movement?

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wait.. your stating a country that has a population of 25+ million and only hospitalize of about 450 daily COIVD case because almost 80% of the pop is vaccinated. Your stating that fact as proof that Vaccines don't work.. lol I don't know if your trolling or don't know how MATHS work.. but
thats 0.00018% chances of hospitalization due to COVID because of the VACCINE


LA County (that is one county in 1 state ) has 610 hospitalize yesterday...
one COUNTY has more Hospitalize then the complete COUNTRY of Australia
I don't think you understand how statistics work

and you will also cite to me muh medical studies as proofs the vax is efficacious

like studies are conducted on 100% of the population and not a small group

out of 100 people who had to hospitalized 80% of those 100 people were fully vaccinated
b,b,b,ut muh pandemic of the unvaccinated
 

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I don't think you understand how statistics work

and you will also cite to me muh medical studies as proofs the vax is efficacious

like studies are conducted on 100% of the population and not a small group

out of 100 people who had to hospitalized 80% of those 100 people were fully vaccinated
b,b,b,ut muh pandemic of the unvaccinated
soo your stating you don't know who Vaccination and Virus work...

seeing that the Vaccination are not 100%! breakthrough chase will happen, the point of the vaccine is to slow and starve off the virus.. there is a point statically that Vaccinated will be infected as the population become completely vaccinated because of simple math but those number are minuscule as Australia hospitalization rate proves it.
 

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the vaccines have no efficacy
almost 80% of COVID hospitalizations are fully vaccinated
source : Australian government
also UK government had a similar report
and P town mass there was an outbreak , 80% of those infected were fully vaccinated
and 4 out the 5 that had to be hospitalized were fully vaccinated and on had one shot of either Phizer or Moderna
all 3 sources show that in real life not in some big pharma funded study that at best the the vaccines has a 20% efficacy , anything less than 51% efficacy amounts to a coin flip and is therefore 0% efficacy
20% actually shows you are greater risk of being hospitalized if you got fully vaccinated
could be due to evolving mutations or it could be that the vaccine is causing ADE reactions

Also I had COVID and I had a ADR from Ciprofloxacin in 2015
COVID was not fun , I had 103/104 temp for a month straight, mostly gastrointestinal symptoms
but it went away and I am fine now

the ADR I had from Cirpo was the worst experience of my life and I have permanent nerve damage and tinnitus
I rather take take my chances with the virus any day
until you have had a a neurological ADR you have no idea how horrific it can be and nobody will help you
I went to the ER probably close 100 times ,different hospitals ,
non e helped, some threated to arrest me for no reason
if you get fucked up by these big pharma poison you are on your own
I spent thousands to supplements and other naturopathic remedies
took years for most of the problems to go away and I still have the tinnitus and some neuropathy
"it never happened"

yes it did
here is the source from
9news Australia official YouTube channel

next you will tell me that the 9 news is lying make deep fake videos of Australian government officials and broadcasting them
Can you provide these sources outside of YouTube videos?
 
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it's news 9 Australia official YouTube channel
but they probably have the video listed on their official Australia news 9 website as well you could try there
Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research.
@The Catboy you are not the only one, no one in my town wants to get the shot, let alone wear facemasks, (With the exception of me).
???
I am confused, are you saying that you are also asking for sources? I am actually super pro-mask and literally bought tons of masks that match my outfits. I also got my shots and will be getting additional boosters because my immune system is bad but not bad enough to prevent me from getting vaccinated.
 
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Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research.

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I am confused, are you saying that you are also asking for sources? I am actually super pro-mask and literally bought tons of masks that match my outfits. I also got my shots and will be getting additional boosters because my immune system is bad but not bad enough to prevent me from getting vaccinated.
what I am trying to say is that I am one of the only ones in my community that does what the cdc says, and yes, I am looking for sources.
 
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Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research.

???
I am confused, are you saying that you are also asking for sources? I am actually super pro-mask and literally bought tons of masks that match my outfits. I also got my shots and will be getting additional boosters because my immune system is bad but not bad enough to prevent me from getting vaccinated.
"Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research."

what?
there is no peer reviewd paper, there is no "research" involved
he is simply stating the facts and telling how many hospitalization they had and how many were vaccinated
it's just a daily briefing on how may people are in hospital and he states details about the hospitalizations
like how many are on ventilators and how many received vaccination and how many shots they received
there is nothing to misquote you can watch it for yourself
 

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"Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research."

what?
there is no peer reviewd paper, there is no "research" involved
he is simply stating the facts and telling how many hospitalization they had and how many were vaccinated
it's just a daily briefing on how may people are in hospital and he states details about the hospitalizations
like how many are on ventilators and how many received vaccination and how many shots they received
there is nothing to misquote you can watch it for yourself
But he’s talking bout a country that is heavily vaccinated with a minuscule hospitalization rate..
 

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"Wow~ look at that peer-reviewed paper~ You should be able to provide the research they are referencing. I am also pretty sure you are deliberately misquoting the research."

what?
there is no peer reviewd paper, there is no "research" involved
he is simply stating the facts and telling how many hospitalization they had and how many were vaccinated
it's just a daily briefing on how may people are in hospital and he states details about the hospitalizations
like how many are on ventilators and how many received vaccination and how many shots they received
there is nothing to misquote you can watch it for yourself
Approximately 92% of COVID-19 deaths are unvaccinated according to the CDC. That number may vary based on the vaccination rate in a given area.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
 

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But he’s talking bout a country that is heavily vaccinated with a minuscule hospitalization rate..
but the claim is that the vaccination prevents hospitalizations
so is that is the case then why is it not 80% unvaccinated in and 20% fully vaccinated instead of the other way around
it doesn't matter the size of the population or how may are vaccinated
it's not relevant to the hospitalization ratio

you can say well that is just one place at one time

but similar numbers are being reported as in the P-town MA outbreak
80% of the people who got it were fully vaccinated , you can argue that the vaccine is not being claimed to prevent infection but then look at the hospitalizations in that outbreak , 4 out of 5 fully vaccinated , one with one shot
similar daily hospitalization reports out of the UK
they are claiming "pandemic of the unvaccinatd" and that the vaccines prevent hospitalization yet 80% of hospitalizations in 3 separate instances from 3 different parts of the globe at 3 different times and the reports are not showing facts that support those claims , they are showing quite the opposite
 

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but the claim is that the vaccination prevents hospitalizations
so is that is the case then why is it not 80% unvaccinated in and 20% fully vaccinated instead of the other way around
it doesn't matter the size of the population or how may are vaccinated
it's not relevant to the hospitalization ratio

you can say well that is just one place at one time

but similar numbers are being reported as in the P-town MA outbreak
80% of the people who got it were fully vaccinated , you can argue that the vaccine is not being claimed to prevent infection but then look at the hospitalizations in that outbreak , 4 out of 5 fully vaccinated , one with one shot
similar daily hospitalization reports out of the UK
they are claiming "pandemic of the unvaccinatd" and that the vaccines prevent hospitalization yet 80% of hospitalizations in 3 separate instances from 3 different parts of the globe at 3 different times and the reports are not showing facts that support those claims , they are showing quite the opposite
The answer is actually shockingly simple. As of late October, over 74% of Australians have received at least one dose of the vaccine versus 26% that have received none - the vaccinated cohort grossly outnumbers the unvaccinated cohort. The unvaccinated don’t show up in the hospital because they’re few and far between at this point. The vaccine was never going to prevent infection, and claiming that it will was the biggest mistake of many governments worldwide. What it *actually* does is training your body to better combat the infection, leading to milder symptoms and better outcomes. It’s not a force field, you can still catch the disease even if you receive two jabs. The point is that you’re unlikely to die from COVID because your immune system is capable of combating the infection better. That does not mean you won’t end up in a hospital if your immune system isn’t particularly good to begin with. To drive this point home, between the 16th of June and 18th of October there were 479 Covid deaths recorded in South Wales, out of which only 61 were fully vaccinated, and even those deaths had underlying conditions that worsened their state besides COVID. The unvaccinated or those only vaccinated once overwhelmingly outnumber the fully vaccinated in terms of the number of deaths. I hate giving The Guardian traffic, but oh well - these were the top results for the query.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ated-what-is-behind-the-australian-statistics
 

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The answer is actually shockingly simple. As of late October, over 74% of Australians have received at least one dose of the vaccine versus 26% that have received none - the vaccinated cohort grossly outnumbers the unvaccinated cohort. The unvaccinated don’t show up in the hospital because they’re few and far between at this point. The vaccine was never going to prevent infection, and claiming that it will was the biggest mistake of many governments worldwide. What it *actually* does is training your body to better combat the infection, leading to milder symptoms and better outcomes. It’s not a force field, you can still catch the disease even if you receive two jabs. The point is that you’re unlikely to die from COVID because your immune system is capable of combating the infection better. That does not mean you won’t end up in a hospital if your immune system isn’t particularly good to begin with. To drive this point home, between the 16th of June and 18th of October there were 479 Covid deaths recorded in South Wales, out of which only 61 were fully vaccinated, and even those deaths had underlying conditions that worsened their state besides COVID. The unvaccinated or those only vaccinated once overwhelmingly outnumber the fully vaccinated in terms of the number of deaths. I hate giving The Guardian traffic, but oh well - these were the top results for the query.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ated-what-is-behind-the-australian-statistics
yes you could argue that but also you need to factor in herd immunity from people who may have already had it or had it and were asyptomatic and that case works in Australia but what about P-town
we are talking about one outbreak and 4 out of 5 were hospitalized
plus I think that outbreak happened close to the beginning of the vaccine rollout
and not as many in MA were/are vaccinated as in Australia
and the numbers were similar, similar 20% figure , 4 out of 5

Anyways I am not going to take it , the decision was pretty much already made for me anyways because I already had it and both my parents had it
natural immunity supersedes the vaccine anyways
from studies which I don't put much faith in and from personal anecdotal evidence

My dad is in his 70's , got COVID in march 2019 , works at a major international airport ,does not not take ANY precautions no mask no sanitizer no hand washing and he has not got reinfected, if he has not got reinfected nobody is going to get reinfected
there is no way he would not have been reinfected by now if natural immunity waned anywhere near as fast as the vaccines
he got it at the beginning and does NOTHING
amazingly I was infected by my mom and not him though who does take precautions but did something stupid and let her guard down
 

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ridiculous
I just gave you 3 separate real world examples from 3 different countries
with nearly identical data
almost 80% of COVID hospitalization at one time are fully vaccinated

if you don't think that is proof of a 20% efficacy than there is no hope for you

I can; find the link to the UK video about daily cases and nearly 80% of hospitalizations being fully vaccinated right now

but someone above questioned the source of the video
so here it is from 9 news Australia , 78% of hospitalizations are fully vaccinated

meaning out of every 100 people who are hospitalized for COVID 80 have been fully vaccinated, meaning 20% efficacy at best

You actually really didn't, and you seem to not be able to understand what people here are trying to tell you. Your viewpoint is factually wrong. Incorrect. You goofed. The video doesn't tell the tale you thought it did. Your "other examples" were just stories without anything to back it up, and even if they do exist (not denying that they couldn't) you are misinterpreting the data. I'm genuinely sorry you've put yourself into this embarrassing corner, but I'd advise you to have a good think about what everyone's trying to explain and reply afterward if you still have an issue.
yes you could argue that but also you need to factor in herd immunity from people who may have already had it or had it and were asyptomatic and that case works in Australia but what about P-town
we are talking about one outbreak and 4 out of 5 were hospitalized
plus I think that outbreak happened close to the beginning of the vaccine rollout
and not as many in MA were/are vaccinated as in Australia
and the numbers were similar, similar 20% figure , 4 out of 5

Anyways I am not going to take it , the decision was pretty much already made for me anyways because I already had it and both my parents had it
natural immunity supersedes the vaccine anyways
from studies which I don't put much faith in and from personal anecdotal evidence

My dad is in his 70's , got COVID in march 2019 , works at a major international airport ,does not not take ANY precautions no mask no sanitizer no hand washing and he has not got reinfected, if he has not got reinfected nobody is going to get reinfected
there is no way he would not have been reinfected by now if natural immunity waned anywhere near as fast as the vaccines
he got it at the beginning and does NOTHING
amazingly I was infected by my mom and not him though who does take precautions but did something stupid and let her guard down
Or you could reply again, and show that you're more interested in anecdotal evidence and being a public health risk with your family... You got any source for your claim that being infected means you can't get reinfected and infect others, or did that just come from your gut intuition?
 
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yes you could argue that but also you need to factor in herd immunity from people who may have already had it or had it and were asyptomatic and that case works in Australia but what about P-town
we are talking about one outbreak and 4 out of 5 were hospitalized
plus I think that outbreak happened close to the beginning of the vaccine rollout
and not as many in MA were/are vaccinated as in Australia
and the numbers were similar, similar 20% figure , 4 out of 5

Anyways I am not going to take it , the decision was pretty much already made for me anyways because I already had it and both my parents had it
natural immunity supersedes the vaccine anyways
from studies which I don't put much faith in and from personal anecdotal evidence

My dad is in his 70's , got COVID in march 2019 , works at a major international airport ,does not not take ANY precautions no mask no sanitizer no hand washing and he has not got reinfected, if he has not got reinfected nobody is going to get reinfected
there is no way he would not have been reinfected by now if natural immunity waned anywhere near as fast as the vaccines
he got it at the beginning and does NOTHING
amazingly I was infected by my mom and not him though who does take precautions but did something stupid and let her guard down
I am not reading any of that and this thread isn't just about the covid vaccine. The request for this thread has been just to get peer-reviewed papers that back up the anti-vaccine movement. That being said, you made a claim that I've been asking for a source of
almost 80% of COVID hospitalizations are fully vaccinated
source : Australian government
What is the source that isn't just "Australian government?" And do those sources actually back up your claims?
 

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You actually really didn't, and you seem to not be able to understand what people here are trying to tell you. Your viewpoint is factually wrong. Incorrect. You goofed. The video doesn't tell the tale you thought it did. Your "other examples" were just stories without anything to back it up, and even if they do exist (not denying that they couldn't) you are misinterpreting the data. I'm genuinely sorry you've put yourself into this embarrassing corner, but I'd advise you to have a good think about what everyone's trying to explain and reply afterward if you still have an issue.

Or you could reply again, and show that you're more interested in anecdotal evidence and being a public health risk with your family... You got any source for your claim that being infected means you can't get reinfected and infect others, or did that just come from your gut intuition?
"You got any source for your claim that being infected means you can't get reinfected and infect others, or did that just come from your gut intuition?"


https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"and infect others"

also you know that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission right, source: CDC
 

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"You got any source for your claim that being infected means you can't get reinfected and infect others, or did that just come from your gut intuition?"


https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

"and infect others"

also you know that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission right, source: CDC
Natural immunity is great and all, but to get natural immunity, they have to survive against the virus first. And we know how that goes for unvaccinated folks as the number of deaths continues to skyrocket while deaths of vaccinated folks move at a snail's pace. And there are folks that have tried herd immunity tactics and ultimately failed miserably.

And even with those that have natural immunity, it's still not 100% preventable and can still transmit the virus onto others. Cases have already been shown that even those that survive and have natural immunity can get infected again. And the CDC still recommends getting the vaccine even after recovering from it. The more layers of protection available, the better the chances of survival and less infection. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

You seem to be jumping through logical hoops and skipping stuff by the CDC. The vaccines do have an effect to prevent transmission as much as possible. It's not 100%, sure, but it helps by actively killing the virus in your body so that less of the virus can be spread from your body and onto others, giving people around you better chances of not being infected as much and not get too sick. That's one of the big points of why vaccines are important. It's to not only protect you and have you survive, but it's to also help slow down the spread of the virus as much as possible and by extension, less odds of new variants of the virus to appear. Even with the new variants like Delta, the vaccines still have a decent amount of protection against them, so they'll still help give people better chances of survival and not getting the worst of the illnesses. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

The vaccines are there to help EVERYONE, but the more stubborn unvaccinated people are, the longer for this whole pandemic to continue and more deaths to continue rising.

You're part of the problem when you try to dissuade others like this.
 
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It’s not even a this or that kind of situation - you don’t “pick” what kind of immunity you have. If you’re vaccinated and you still catch COVID, your odds are higher, your symptoms will be milder and you will develop natural immunity. The vaccine doesn’t counteract that, it’s going to happen regardless of what you do.
 
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There was a pact between 110 coutries and pharma corcerns like pfizer giving them too much credit to protect their interests despite any later researches and pandemic charts. That was just too big financial deal, but it may lead to something more suspicious, include some hidden goals of freemasons of agenda 2030 and global new order. Well if we know now that nwo is not a theory but a fact, so we can expect from them the worst. 0,1% trust for health care is the max i can give, but that's only my opinion. Sweden and UK have also very high amount and rate of infections and deaths despite they are most vaccinated countries, but that will never be concerned to stop this proceder or not, toxic vacinces have to be sold.
 
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