What Is The Best DS For Homebrew

Discussion in 'NDS - Emulation and Homebrew' started by TyDye, Apr 30, 2016.

  1. TyDye

    TyDye Nintendo Fan

    Apr 22, 2016
    United States
    What Is The Best Ds For Homebrew
    1.Classic Ds (DS Phat)
    2.Ds Lite
    4.DSI XL
    6.3DS XL
    7.New 3DS
    8.New 3DS XL
  2. Lemon_

    Lemon_ Advanced Member

    Oct 31, 2015
    Cheap: 2DS
    Cheap (refurbished/used in good condition): Regular 3DS
    Performance: new*
    "Retro": Ds Lite / DSi

    XL is only a matter of choice.
  3. VinsCool

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    go for the new 3ds
  4. TyDye

    TyDye Nintendo Fan

    Apr 22, 2016
    United States
    BTW I Have DSI
  5. daxtsu

    daxtsu GBAtemp Guru

    Jun 9, 2007
    I would say any of the (2)3DS family. This way you can run DSi homebrew, original DS homebrew, as well as 3DS homebrew.
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  6. Spaqin

    Spaqin GBAtemp Regular

    Feb 17, 2015
    It's easy.

    DS Lite. Superior screens compared to DS Fat, GBA slot for more homebrew capabilities (like extra RAM), and as for DSi - you can't even use the additional power in HB, making the purchase of that pointless.
    Also, there's no terrible scaling like on 3DS - arguably the image quality will be the best.
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  7. urherenow

    urherenow GBAtemp Psycho!

    Mar 8, 2009
    United States
    Mine. Mine is the best.

    because it's mine.

    All kidding aside, Isn't it obvious that N3DS/XL/LL is the best? It has the most memory and the fastest processor. Any dev who feels like it can take advantage of all of that, so in no universe can anything be done one those older machines that can't be done just as well or better on an N3ds. everything from Dsi and earlier runs natively on 3DS as it is (in twl_nand).
    Last edited by urherenow, Apr 30, 2016
  8. Altharic

    Altharic Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Do they not take advantage of the extra cpu power of the dsi?
  9. PypeBros

    PypeBros Advanced Member

    Oct 29, 2007
    same for me. I haven't heard of substantial amount of homebrews taking advantage of the additional cpu or RAM power of the DSi, nor about applications using the embedded camera. You sure could but it didn't made it to the devkitpro, afaik.
  10. GalladeGuy

    GalladeGuy Freeze Kirby :3

    Oct 28, 2015
    United States
    The best DS to get would be the N3DS. Best performance, $180 in the USA, and its able to play both DS and 3DS games! Not to mention homebrew from the GBA, DS, DSI, and 3DS. Do you know how many emulators are on all those systems combined?! A lot. The answer is a lot. And with a lot of emulators comes a lot of games. You could argue that the N3DS has a library of over 10k games. There are 783 games just counting the 3DS's library alone. (As of April 24th 2016!)

    I think the list should look more like this:
    1. N3DS (XL)
    2. 3DS (XL) --tie-- 2DS (Cheaper price or portability? Pick which ever one suits you better.)
    3. DSI (XL)
    4. DS Lite
    5. DS (Classic)
    Last edited by GalladeGuy, May 2, 2016
  11. FAST6191

    FAST6191 Techromancer

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    Nov 21, 2005
    United Kingdom
    There are some pieces of DSi homebrew and exploits to run it. The vast majority of homebrew will not though, and most of what did can be replicated with a DStwo anyway.

    To answer the question of the OP though

    DS and DS lite are functionality identical save for the screen brightness selection. You have easy wifi, though you are limited to no or WEP based security if you do.
    Loads of great native homebrew, ports of old games, and some nice enough emulators up to the 16 bit era (SNES is a bit suspect and you have the usual list of things that will never happen https://web.archive.org/web/2014112...index.php?title=SNES_games_with_special_chips but megadrive/genesis is more than playable).
    http://gbatemp.net/threads/links-to-various-gbatemp-features-over-the-years.352851/ is not a good list of homebrew but has some nice things seen in DS homebrew.

    You can enhance DS homebrew beyond baseline flash cart in four ways.
    1) RAM expansion pack.
    2) iplayer
    3) ismart MM
    4) DStwo, and not the DStwo+ I guess.

    1) is covered in http://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/3_in_1_Expansion_Pack_for_EZ-Flash_V#Third-Party , actually has some nice stuff though nothing most would miss horribly and not everything that was ported to that made it to the others. There are other expansion packs that work (lick's RAM api if you want to go looking for info) and can even play GBA games but the 3 in 1 is known, readily available and generally well liked. It is also the only way to natively run GBA games on the DS (note that the browser RAM pack will not do this), everything else is emulation and without something else from the numbers in this list the emulation of the GBA on the DS is not great, with said numbered things it is hardly flawless but enough to play the bulk of the GBA library.
    2) is mainly media player and GBA emulator
    3) is mainly media player, gba emulator and a somewhat suspect port of a game focused handheld version of linux called dingux, it has a lot of emulators including a PS1 emulator which you might be able to smack hard enough to get 15 or so fps out of. A flash cart seller purchased the specs to the iplayer and ported the DStwo kernel to it. They go cheap if you can get them and are not a bad way to have an ehanced flash cart, though the GBA emulator is inferior to the DStwo.
    4) You can read elsewhere are the wonders of the DStwo. It has a pretty nice GBA emulator, a media player, a far better SNES emulator than the raw flash carts of the DS, a few other nice emulators, a version of DSx86 which does more CPU types and some nice features that many other carts do not have. Other than nailing the battery a bit and costing quite a bit it is the superior DS flash cart, however if you just want DS games then you have many other options and many of those include nice features too. I am not sure if dingux has now been ported to the DStwo, it is certainly not something people really tout as a feature either way.

    DSi then. Wifi can be a bit annoying for normal DS homebrew but still possible. No GBA slot means no RAM expansion homebrew. Some find the larger screens of the DSi XL to be slightly pixely but others like it, much like laptop keyboards it really is something you have to go on yourself.
    http://gbatemp.net/threads/dsi-downgrades-hacking.393488/ is what I will link, there is more but that covers much of what there is to know. There is not a lot to use the extra cameras or anything so it is mainly a small speed boost for a select for pieces of homebrew.
    Nice enough and worth thinking about if you have a DSi but not worth buying a DSi for unless you want the screens.

    3ds. Three main flavours in the 3ds, the 2ds (basically a 3ds but without a hinge and no 3d) and the new 3ds/n3ds. The n3ds is a more powerful device, has kind of different exploits to the original 3ds and this is also reflected in the games it can run and some speeds in some games. Technically the DSi also had this with some commercial games but bugger all really made any use of it.
    With a DS flash cart that works (the 3ds blocked DS flash carts but various ones bypass it and there is also stuff like http://gbatemp.net/threads/3ds-flash-cart-unblocker.376719/ ). DS backwards compatibility is fine software wise but some wonder at the screens here.
    The 3ds can be hacked relatively easily, and possibly via a software mod in many not terribly uncommon scenarios. I would not call the 3ds scene terrible cohesive, especially compared to things that happened for other consoles in the past (xbox, wii, 360, even the PS3) and present devices (see phones and tablets) but it is getting a bit better and can get things done either way.

    Native 3ds homebrew. In my opinion not a patch on DS homebrew and given we saw the rise of IOS (now android is the dominant platform) kill off DS homebrew very quickly I am not expecting anything of great merit from native 3ds homebrew. In my opinion this is also reflected in the 3ds game library where all the devs I liked on the GBA and DS ( http://gbatemp.net/threads/links-to-various-gbatemp-features-over-the-years.352851/ covers the sort of things I like) left the 3ds to go do good stuff on andrios instead. Some seem to be able to enjoy themselves somehow though -- I never cared much for Nintendo first party/captive dev stuff aside from advance wars and that is nowhere to be seen on the 3ds, you may feel differently as first party is kind of moving along even if it is without any stunning things if you have played any of their back catalogue before.
    Theoretically the 3ds is probably enough to do the 16 bit era in emulation quite happily, though a lack of interest (you can have a far easier time on android which is where many people have gone) means I do not hold out much hope. Theoretically I guess you might also get some PS1 emulation happening and maybe a sniff at a couple of N64 games but that would require dedicated devs to put a lot of effort in which I am not expecting to happen.
    http://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/List_of_3DS_homebrew_emulators has more. RetroArch is probably the main focus of emulation on the 3ds for a lot of people, though blargSnes is definitely worth a look. Others have taken to abusing the emulators Nintendo uses for its games to pull things off. Personally I would put them considerably behind any DS homebrew equivalent, and that is also without taking into account any extra features like rewind, savestates, cheats and filters that they provide, but it can be done without a DS or 3ds flash cart so I guess that is why the kids like it.

    The unsaid option. DS emulation on the PC is actually not that bad. It is not quite as nice as GBA emulation is/was/will be, and certainly was not at the time, which keeps on slipping moving forward so that is not a problem. It is however gaining things like http://gbatemp.net/threads/hi-resolution-ds-emulation.364549/ which do nice things.

    So yeah from where I sit the 3ds is just apathy inducing so if you wanted to get a DS or DS lite and a flash cart (anything really, though try to get a half nice one if you can) I would feel comfortable in saying you are not going to be missing out on much of anything, especially if you have some other means to play things that were ported to the 3ds. At the time the GBA and DS represented a superior option for handheld computing but android has just been kicking the 3ds in the balls for years and Nintendo is doing next to nothing to mitigate that. There might be something to it in a couple of years when it is all dead and people are letting modded 3dses go for next to nothing but it is not like the DS where at least a handful and often a dozen or more good games were coming out every month for a couple of years. At the same time I am not sure I can suggest you go all in on android instead -- there is still something to the DS.

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