Discussion What do I need to prepare for the emuNAND/Thermosphère to be released soon?

Discussion in 'Switch - Exploits, Custom Firmwares & Soft Mods' started by RyuSeisuke1992, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. Resaec

    Resaec GBAtemp Fan

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    nah, she only came up with a solution to use FG
    EmuNAND is and was SciresM's baby

    8Bit is right you know...
    I guess you meant to write 3DS instead of Switch here because there is no such thing as B9S or SigHax on the Switch.
    RCM and SigHax type of exploits are fundamently different. Only common thing here is that they are low level entry points.
     
  2. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Fusee Gelee is a bootrom exploit. Sighax is a bootrom exploits. Does not metter that they are different. They are bootrom exploits, which don't care about what kind of storage you have.
     
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  3. 8BitWonder

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    They're bootrom exploits yes, but while the switch does have one it still does not allow us to set up an unpatch-able/update-able sysNand environment like 3DS bootrom exploits were used for.
    That was the whole appeal of moving from emuNand to sysNand, and why it was ditched on the 3DS.
    I'm saying that emuNand is an important Switch solution for now because there's no idea when/if there will be a full sysNand solution like there was for the 3DS.
     
  4. Resaec

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    Ok, I will try to make it as easy as possible, so even you can understand the important difference.
    SigHax type/descendants:
    • flashed into bootimg
    • loaded by console on boot
    • no user interaction
    RCM type:
    • not permanent
    • manual boot intervention
    • semi-manual exploit injection
    • needs user interaction
    Many, easy to understand, important differences between 3DS and Switch "coldboot" exploits right?
     
  5. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Then you are exlpaining it badly. Next time just say that you want coldboot.
    RMC Is unpatch-able and has update-able SysNAND, it's just not a coldboot.
    You don't understand what I mean. Let's explain it as easy as possible.
    Fusee Gelee is a bootrom exploit. Sighax is a bootrom epxloit. Bootrom is independent on NAND. Thus SysNAND and EmuNAND have nothing to do with the exploit.
     
  6. 8BitWonder

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    They're both still bootrom exploits. It doesn't matter that they do different things or require different amounts of interaction.
     
  7. europat

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    The answer to all questions : Patience
     
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  8. 8BitWonder

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    Alright I'll try to explain this as best I can:
    Firstly I know RCM isn't patchable (after it has left the factory), I'm aware of how bootrom exploits work. :P

    For the 3DS, bootrom exploits were used to achieve a simple sysNand solution, with which you could update normally and retain arm9 and arm11 privileges on any future firmware.
    This is why we ditched emuNand, because we had arm9/arm11 privileges on any firmware update from sysNand.

    For the switch, we have a bootrom exploit, but currently no means of using it to patch sysNand to retain TrustZone privileges when updating normally. Hence why some are staying below 5.X and waiting for emuNand.
    Since some users want to keep TrustZone privileges, but still keep up with firmware updates, it's in their interest to set up an emuNand.
    This is why emuNand is important for the Switch scene until we can retain TrustZone privileges on higher firmwares. (At that point it'll be ditched similarly to the 3DS. :P)

    Better? (Genuinely asking, I feel like I've been butchering my last couple replies)
     
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  9. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    You have finally explained what you meant by "True SysNAND solution". So yea, better.
     
  10. Milenko

    Milenko GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    You said a year though
     
  11. Ian San Miguel

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    Not sure why this makes more sense the other way. If you use sysnand to go online it would need to be updated to latest firmware, which is what many people don't want to do to preserve possibility of future coldboot. Surely it makes more sense to update emunand and go online, thus preserving sysnand firmware version? (or am I totally wrong, and updating emunand would burn fuses, thus making sysnand unusable unless updated?)
     
  12. Kubas_inko

    Kubas_inko "Something funny goes here."

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    Hacking something on SD is safer than on NAND.
    And then you can't get "much free gamez" on low FW anyway.
    But hey, whatever floats your boat (same applies to my idea).
     
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  13. BOLNICHKA

    BOLNICHKA Newbie

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    Hello, I read this forum and I still have questions, will Nintendo be able to track emuNAND? I understand that in the case of the emuNAND ban, only emuNAND will suffer, which can be fixed, but I wonder if Nintendo will ban it very quickly if emuNAND comes out of a pirated game online? And will emuNAND allow you to go online for free? I live in a poor country, and here to buy a console is a big problem, not to buy games and even more so to pay on a permanent basis for online.
     
  14. smf

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    I'm not sure that most people do want that.

    Some people want online legit games and offline piracy

    Some people want low sysnand for potential software hacks and latest emunand so they can run all games offline.

    I would probably use emunand just to avoid messing up sysnand. Going online with emunand will probably get you banned eventually. I don't hold much hope for a coldboot
     
  15. Draxzelex

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    First off, when you get banned both EmuNAND and SysNAND get affected because all EmuNAND is is just a copy of SysNAND. Secondly, they can track EmuNAND theoretically but considering that no one has even been banned for using EmuNAND with SX OS, chances are low it'll happen at all even when other CFW like Atmosphere implement it. This is operating under the assumption you don't go online with EmuNAND however.
     
  16. BOLNICHKA

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    but, unless it is impossible to change emuNAND so that it is very different from sysNAND, id console to change, etc.?
     
  17. TPMJB

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    I love when half a year passes and threads are bumped!
     
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