1. Tom Bombadildo

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    For load times. Blu-ray is much slower than any HDD, loading from a disc only would take way too long and people already complain about slow load times with a HDD.

    Also, you're still going to have to install the games to the SSD with the PS5? Not sure what you mean by this.
     
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    You want to discuss? This post I thought was only to vent, OK. There is nothing "wrong" with installing your game to the HDD, as long as it is an "option". But more than that, it is about the phylosophy of "console gaming life" if you will. You buy a game, you play it right away THAT is console gaming, and it has been ever since the Atari and their cartdriges (for more than 3 decades!).

    Sure Atari sucked but that is besides the point, the point is that "console" gaming is: Put the game, play it inmediately. THAT is CONSOLE gaming. If it is not like this, then the machine is simply NOT a console, but a closed PC.

    Horizon Zero Dawn sucks for me, but even if it is somehow good (which is not), it made it so that Killzone developers were put to work exclusively on this franchise, and where taken hostage from continue working on our wonderfull gritty and beautiful Killzone, a real work of gaming love. By the way, Killzone Shadow Fall SUCKED ass, and it is no coincidence, the main Guerrilla studio, DID NOT worked on it.
     
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    ah shit i wasn't thinking with that one lol
    you'd probably still have to install to SSD. i was trying to make a point about SSD's being way faster than blu ray but then my brain shut down (not like i was using it anyways)
     
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    My brain was also shut down when I purchased the PS4 thinking the Blu Ray drives had gotten fast enough from 2006 to 2013 to make it possible to load from them! You know what all this is? BULLSHIT. I bet Blu Ray drives can be just as fast as a mechanical HDD, Sony and Microsoft are simply pushing digital ONLY gaming.

    All Xbox 360 where able to play from the disc only and they loaded and played FINE, even the PS3 had most games played from the Blu Ray drive only, and they loaded and played FINE.

    Even the gamecube with it's very old technology (for today standards) was able to load quite fast because of their mini DVD format. Again, I say BULLLSHIT, if companies wanted to keep the disc format, they would find a way to make it faster to read from them.
     
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    okay come on dude, im pretty sure sony didnt promise anything about blu ray being faster from 2006 to 2013. 4 megabytes per second is laughable, no way they could advertise that as being faster than last gen
    Plus an SSD is much faster than any disc ever made, 9 gigabytes per second vs 4 megabytes per second.... im sorry lol but one is way better than the other. Blu ray would take years to become as fast as a run of the mill HDD, let alone a high-standard state-of-the-art SSD. i know this may sadden you but digital gaming is becoming the future with its higher read speeds and more convenience.
     
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    Did I say anything about that? No right? I am not complaining about dear old SONY not keeping its promise. I was assuming something back in 2013, something that was obviuos, which was, blu ray drives where MUCH faster by 2013, therefore I THOUGHT Sony could have implemented them in the PS4, and using its faster and plenty more amount of RAM and some other cache RAM, etc, they could pull off reading from the Disc drive.

    You just dont get it, it is not about the technology there is, it is about the technology that it can be made NEW! I guess you didn't live in a world when new consoles would have different custom made GPU's and CPU's on them with all sorts of intricancies custom made for them. From the Snes to the PS2 and PS3, consoles where each unique and different. In a world where technology, minds and imagination meets, new things come forward, and new technology. THAT was console gaming.
     
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    That's kind of a contradiction though- SNES, genesis, ps1, n64, ps2 so on and so forth used new state of the art technology that wasnt seen anywhere else, but youre getting mad at sony for not improving technology made in the past?? wouldnt you want sony to new groundbreaking technology- to make a NEW disc format rather than use blu ray? thats what they did for all their previous consoles, PS1 used CDs, PS2 used DVDs, PS3 used bluray.
     
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    SURE, it is the same thing I mean to say, a NEW blu ray drive reader, specifically made for the PS4, much faster than any other consumer Blu ray movie playback machine. That would have been unique.

    But no, Sony gave up, and just implemented OLD (but faster) technology (HDD) and sacrificed the disc format to save money and move on with the digital era, in order to KILL the disc format. In order to amass all the money they could from selling digital only games.

    Is a matter of will, if Sony or Microsoft would have wanted it hard enough, they could've implemented a "custom made" new disc reading technology, to keep the disc form alive and the games as they have always been, physical.

    Just imagine, maybe disc games could come each with a type of SD card attached, where all the smallest and harder to read files could come, and on the main more slow disc, all the movies, music and large files could go. If there is a will, there is a possibility, if there is no will, nothing will come forward.
     
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    I don’t understand why every console from the same company have different language/format ..... due to that it wont play older gen games nor next gen games.

    however phones and windows gets updated hardware and still play 10 years ago games ... sometimes needs small update.
     
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    -Exclusives are an anticonsumer practice that needs to die just like region locking did
    -Userscore is more reliable than press score
    -Lootboxes aren't bad if they are implemented like Valve's
     
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    controversial gaming opinions, not correct ones! can you read? :P
     
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    you can be controversial while still being right, you'd be surprised how many disagree with these lol
     
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    Guy with a brain and 180 iq: Exclusives are bad for the industry and they need to leave
    Some PS4 fantard: Uh, acKhually ExcluSIVEs ARE GoOD fOR The InDustREE, TehY pRoMoTe CoMpetiTItioN!!!!
    YouRe JusT mAd bEcauSe YoURe AN XbOT FANtArd OlolOlolololoLolOLolOLolOoloLO
     
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    the best thing is that they never even own the exclusives of the console they are defending lol
     
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    Phantom Hourglass was actually an alright Zelda game.
     
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    I enjoyed Bubsy 1 and 2 as a kid. Some of my most fond childhood memories is playing Bubsy 2 with both of my sisters. I as a kid thought the game was okay, it was just a bit difficult, because he ran too fucking fast.
     
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    Hori is a company name hehe
     
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    that's not controversial, that's a fact
     
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    Controversial huh ok here goes...

    1. The DS and by extension the 3ds is NOT dead IMO, they are still better than the Switch (in regards to games offered)
    2. pokemon games are all the same (to me) to be fair, I have only played the first chapter of any of them, they all seem cookie-cutter the identical.
    3. All these years later Skyrim is still fun on the Switch. imo
    4. Most of the Fire Emblem Games after GBA (in US) are crap except Awakening and even that has its flaws...
    5. Fire Emblem Thre Houses Sucks Monkey Balls It's like they glued Style Savvy to an older version of Fire Emblem
    6. Monster Hunter Stories was the better game on the 3ds but received little attention.
    7. Nintendo may know gaming but they need to hire experts for their network presence/online sales store/ online gaming etc...
    8. Ring Fit Adventure is/was a better deal; than Animal Crossing considering the length of time you'll have/use it and the quality included.. IMO.
     
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