Hacking Weird problem with PAL Games on NTSC-J Wii

[Daenerys87]

Hi everyone

I have a problem with some PAL games on my NTSC-J Wii, I was told that in this forum I could get concrete answers so here I am.

The problem is that with the PAL versions of Dragon Quest Swords and Wii Fit Plus I get the black screen and Wii freezes...I am using the latest verions of Cfg Usb Loader and USB LOADER GX and with both I get the same problem.

So I tried to change some options of the loaders and that's the results:
Video: Game Default/Force PAL 50/Force PAL 60 = Game starts but the image appears only on half screen, as my tv doesn't support PAL
Video: System Default/FORCE NTSC + Videopatch: Off/On/All = Black screen and Freezed Wii
Video: System Default/FORCE NTSC + Videopatch: Sneek/Sneek+All = Black screen but Wii doesn't freeze (infact I can feel the audio, the game is working and Wii remote control works too)

So basically I managed to prevent the Wii from freeze and make the game work at the same time, but as long as I don't get the video to work I can't play

Other info:

- I use the Standard Wii Cable on a AQUOS LC-32V5 TV (this one: http://www.sharp.co..../spec_32v5.html sorry I can't seem to find an english page of the tv but I guess you can understand which kind of tv it is from the picture)
- Those 2 PAL Backups come from my original PAL disks and work on my sister's PAL Wii.
- Other PAL Backups, such as Project Zero 2 and Xenoblade, work on my NTSC-J Wii, so the problem seems to be only with these 2 games.

Syscheck:

Spoiler

sysCheck v2.1.0b18 by Double_A and R2-D2199
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: NTSC-J
System Menu 4.2J (v480)

Drive date: 2007.02.13
Homebrew Channel 1.1.0 running on IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 72085812
Boot2 v3
Found 85 titles.
Found 52 IOS on this console. 5 of them are stub.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): Trucha Bug
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256, Info: rev 10): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS12 (rev 526): Trucha Bug
IOS13 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS14 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS15 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS20 (rev 256, Info: rev 12): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS21 (rev 1039): Trucha Bug
IOS22 (rev 1294): Trucha Bug
IOS28 (rev 1807): Trucha Bug
IOS30 (rev 2816): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS31 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS33 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS34 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS35 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS36 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS37 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS38 (rev 4124): Trucha Bug
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): Trucha Bug
IOS43 (rev 3607): Trucha Bug
IOS45 (rev 3607): Trucha Bug
IOS46 (rev 3607): Trucha Bug
IOS48 (rev 4124): Trucha Bug
IOS50 (rev 5120): Trucha Bug
IOS51 (rev 4864): Trucha Bug
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS55 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS56 (rev 5662): Trucha Bug
IOS57 (rev 5919): Trucha Bug
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Trucha Bug
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Trucha Bug
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS224[37] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS247[37] (rev 21007, Info: d2x-v7final): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS248[38] (rev 21007, Info: d2x-v7final): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v8): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS251[56] (rev 21, Info: rev 21): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS252[57] (rev 21007, Info: d2x-v7final): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

Report generated on 2012/08/23.

Dragon Quest Swords Iso Check (made with Wii Game Info 1.0 alpha)

Spoiler

ISO File Name: Dragon Quest Swords.iso
ISO File Size: 118240000/hex = 4699979776 = 4482 MiB
Scrubbed Size: b9760000/hex = 3111518208 = 2967 MiB, 66.2%
File & disc type: ISO/WII & Wii
Disc & part IDs: disc=RDQPGD, ticket=RDQP, tmd=RDQP, boot=RDQPGD
Disc Name: DRAGON QUEST SWORDS
DB Title: Dragon Quest Swords
ID Region: PAL [PAL ]
Partitions: 2 [encrypted, well signed]
Load IOS: IOS21v514
System Menu Version: 3.1

Wii Fit Plus Iso Check (made with Wii Game Info 1.0 alpha)

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ISO File Name: wfp_pal.iso
ISO File Size: 118240000/hex = 4699979776 = 4482 MiB
Scrubbed Size: 85df8000/hex = 2246017024 = 2142 MiB, 47.8%
File & disc type: ISO/WII & Wii
Disc & part IDs: disc=RFPP01, ticket=RFPP, tmd=RFPP, boot=RFPP01
Disc Name: WiiFitPlus(EU
DB Title: Wii Fit Plus
ID Region: PAL [PAL ]
Partitions: 3 [encrypted, well signed]
Load IOS: IOS53v4113
System Menu Version: 3.4

I hope that you will be able to help me

 

[Daenerys87]

Anyone please?

 

[actar]

Can someone give you a component cable for try with it ?

 

[Daenerys87]

Can someone give you a component cable for try with it ?

Ciao Actar =D

Which kind of component cable? I though that the standard ones were good enough =(

 

[actar]

This one:

with this I use on wii setting HDTV mode, and I always used games form different region without any problems.
But I have a Wii PAL.. honestly I don't if somethig change using a wii Jap for PAL games.

 

[mauifrog]

Try patching the language to English in the loader settings. Possibly the loader is set to console default, which would be jap. Some games do not load when they do not support that language giving a black screen.

 

[Daenerys87]

This one:

with this I use on wii setting HDTV mode, and I always used games form different region without any problems.
But I have a Wii PAL.. honestly I don't if somethig change using a wii Jap for PAL games.

Thanks, I asked my friends but everyone have the standard one..and I don't want to buy it if I am not sure that it is gonna work for my problem =/

Try patching the language to English in the loader settings. Possibly the loader is set to console default, which would be jap. Some games do not load when they do not support that language giving a black screen.

Did it with both english and italian language but nothing changed =(

 

[smf]

This one:

with this I use on wii setting HDTV mode, and I always used games form different region without any problems.
But I have a Wii PAL.. honestly I don't if somethig change using a wii Jap for PAL games.

Thanks, I asked my friends but everyone have the standard one..and I don't want to buy it if I am not sure that it is gonna work for my problem =/

Unofficial cables are really cheap and the graphics will be sharper. When using 480p there are no video difference between NTSC or PAL consoles, so most games will work.
You only have two options, this & region change your Wii.

 

[Daenerys87]

This one:

with this I use on wii setting HDTV mode, and I always used games form different region without any problems.
But I have a Wii PAL.. honestly I don't if somethig change using a wii Jap for PAL games.

Thanks, I asked my friends but everyone have the standard one..and I don't want to buy it if I am not sure that it is gonna work for my problem =/

Unofficial cables are really cheap and the graphics will be sharper. When using 480p there are no video difference between NTSC or PAL consoles, so most games will work.
You only have two options, this & region change your Wii.

Ok so official/unofficial cables for 480p are the solution? I am not sure about changing region of my wii because my tv doesn't support PAL (and sounds too risky).

But still is it normal that, even without this cable, I am able to play other PAL games? Sorry for the many questions but I am just trying to understand more about it.

 

[actar]

I can only say that I have never had problem with other region games.
And I have always used an (original) component cable.

The specific reason because some games works good and other not... honestly I really don't know.


...and if this don't resolve your problem, you will have a better graphics. An original cable isn't so much expensive.


IMHO

 

[smf]

The specific reason because some games works good and other not... honestly I really don't know.

The problem seems to be that the games can tell between being run in PAL60 & NTSC mode & they know that it's wrong so they stop. There is no difference in progressive mode on European, American or Japanese consoles using component cables.

 

[Foxi4]

Try using the Force option to select what kind of video output you want/require for your TV. Component cables shouldn't be required.

Nevermind, you already tried that... Well, all I can really tell you is "keep your IOS'es and loaders updated to the latest version at all times, use the Force option in the loader and, if all else fails, try the Component cables... but I personally never had to use them. Most TV's should support both NTSC and PAL nowadays - you can check for that option as well on the TV itself.

 

[jowan]

I had the same problems with PAL games on NTSC, in WiiFlow, you just go to options and in video options choose NTSC or force NTSC, hope it helps