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Weight Loss Is Positive, Being Overweight Isn't - One Man's Amazing Comeback

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Oooh boy, I was really wondering if i was going to give a post here, but screw it. I will amuse you.

I have lost 54 pounds since january. The last 30 have been in the last 3 months in a 1100 calorie diet a day under medical supervision.
I had diabetes and it is now under remision. I feel great. Ironically you can eat at fast food joints and still lose weight pending on you not doing it everyday and being smart on what you order (a side salad at jack in the box is only 64 calories with a chicken fajita pita being 350, you can eat a pretty decent 414 calorie meal that is not excessive on fat, just make sure you order balsamic vinegar)
Either way losing weight is a good thing. So if your post did not go any farther than that, it would not bother me so much. The reality being though that you once again tried to politicize this into a left vs right issue. I am sure you can cite youtube's favorite punch line like Tess Holiday or the corporate "woke" outlets that bat for her, but pretend to forget that fox news batted for Sarah Pailin when she decided to bring chocolate chip cookies to protest Michelle Obama's comment that kids should eat more veggies (you can google it up, its a funny story circa 2010)


there is no such thing as being "constructive" and an A**hole at the same time, but nice bait.
People decide to lose weight because they learn to love themselves. shaming them does not do that. get real.

There is also the feeling of an undertone, like the rest of your threads that you are trying to troll. But Hey, thats just a theory. A GAME THEORY.

I'm glad you have been able to manage your diabetes. I have two family members with type-2 and it's basically something that goes away as long as you eat better and exercise to keep a certain weight. Sugar causes it so you limit your sugar intake and once you lose weight your body is able to process the limited sugar intake and you don't require medications anymore (that's type 2 at least).

It is totally possible to be constructive regardless of how "nice" you are. Being nice isn't a factor I look at when I'm trying to accomplish something. Sure, it's pleasant to be around nice people who say nice things, but there's a lot of people who are nice that do really bad things. Constructive criticism is a real thing and I suggest if you don't like the fact that I bring up the Left (when applicable) that you talk to the rest of the forum who brings up Trump and the Right at any chance they get, but like I said, if the Left wasn't pushing fat acceptance on people I would have never mentioned them in this thread. It just so happens they are.

EDIT: It's basically that pushing fat acceptance on anyone is bad and should stop. No one should accept obesity as normal.
 
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Nah, I've got a pretty clear picture in my head.
A picture which apparently includes all leftists who otherwise wouldn't identify as Democrats. Meaning there are even more "liberals" by your definition than there are registered Democrats.

What I would do is talk to friends, relatives or co-workers and let them know that their weight is going to cause them an early death (or something along those lines). I often talk to various family members and encourage them to partake in physical activities and discuss how their weight is effecting their body and mind. It's not always pleasant, but this sort of conversation is helpful.
If you can broach the subject while remaining respectful, then I don't see how we're in disagreement. Clearly much of America struggles with these conversations, which is why the number of overweight/obese Americans was able to climb to over 70% in the first place.

but pretend to forget that fox news batted for Sarah Pailin when she decided to bring chocolate chip cookies to protest Michelle Obama's comment that kids should eat more veggies (you can google it up, its a funny story circa 2010)
Indeed. As I said, this isn't really a political issue, but if we're factoring in politics for some silly reason, then it just so happens that Colorado and California are the two most physically fit states in the nation, both solidly blue. Meanwhile, the worst offenders for obesity are in the deep red South/Southeast. They deep fry EVERYTHING down there.
 
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I'm glad you have been able to manage your diabetes. I have two family members with type-2 and it's basically something that goes away as long as you eat better and exercise to keep a certain weight. Sugar causes it so you limit your sugar intake and once you lose weight your body is able to process the limited sugar intake and you don't require medications anymore (that's type 2 at least).

It is totally possible to be constructive regardless of how "nice" you are. Being nice isn't a factor I look at when I'm trying to accomplish something. Sure, it's pleasant to be around nice people who say nice things, but there's a lot of people who are nice that do really bad things. Constructive criticism is a real thing and I suggest if you don't like the fact that I bring up the Left (when applicable) that you talk to the rest of the forum who brings up Trump and the Right at any chance they get, but like I said, if the Left wasn't pushing fat acceptance on people I would have never mentioned them in this thread. It just so happens they are.

on your former statement, sugar is not the only factor. I literally consumed 0 grams of sugar a day and my blood sugar shot to hell. Carbs have an effect as well. A lot of things get broken down as sugar once you eat them.

On your latter, lets try an experiment. Walk up to someone you know who is not family and be a total asshole about their weight. You will either make them feel horrible or they will pile drive you and deservedly so. Shaming someone for their current situation is not constructive. Talking to them in honest terms while having some empathy will give you better results. Also again you bring up Trump now into this you. You are too hung up on partisanship. Also, DONT Ignore the fact that the right pushed (atleast as per your own line of reasoning) fat acceptance when Obama was in charge as well, but hey you seem to forget that bit.

P.S. i really dont care for this to be a right vs left issue. Just be healthy people. Making health political has to be among one of the stupidest things ive heard in my life.
 
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the bare essentials to being healthy:
-Eat food
-Not too much
-Mostly veggies
-Work out at least 3 times a week for an hour
-Try not to stay in one spot for more than an hour or so at a time
-have consistent and high quality sleep, at least 8 hours

This may or may not lead to you being thin. But it'll help you be healthy and live a richer life. In the end, that's all that matters.
 

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on your former statement, sugar is not the only factor. I literally consumed 0 grams of sugar a day and my blood sugar shot to hell. Carbs have an effect as well. A lot of things get broken down as sugar once you do it.

Carbs get broken down into sugars.

On your latter, lets try an experiment walk up to someone you know who is not family and be a total asshole about their weight. You will either make them feel horrible or they will pile drive you and deservedly so. Shaming someone for their current situation is not constructive. Talking to them in honest terms while having some empathy will give you better results. Also again you bring up Trump now into this you. You are too hung up on partisanship. Also, DONT Ignore the fact that the right pushed (atleast as per your own line of reasoning) fat acceptance when Obama was in charge as well, but hey you seem to forget that bit.

If the Right was currently running stories on a weekly basis on how being obese is normal, healthy and perfectly fine and no one should be saying anything about it because it might hurt someones feelings and that according to their hand picked science it's an impossible battle you can't win then I would have included them when I referred to Left. I don't know what they were running back under Obama, but if that sort of stuff was being published then I'm glad it stopped.
 

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the bare essentials to being healthy:
-Eat food
-Not too much
-Mostly veggies
-Work out at least 3 times a week for an hour
-Try not to stay in one spot for more than an hour or so at a time
-have consistent and high quality sleep, at least 8 hours

This may or may not lead to you being thin. But it'll help you be healthy and live a richer life. In the end, that's all that matters.

hey sensitive advice! ^ listen to this person just starting out trying half the stuff in this list is a good place to begin with!
@osaka35 that is the best post in the thread.

Carbs get broken down into sugars.
If the Right was currently running stories on a weekly basis on how being obese is normal, healthy and perfectly fine and no one should be saying anything about it because it might hurt someones feelings and that according to their hand picked science it's an impossible battle you can't win then I would have included them when I referred to Left. I don't know what they were running back under Obama, but if that sort of stuff was being published then I'm glad it stopped.

You are missing the point. Which is, that by your own line of reasoning they dont care of objectivity. Also only caring about the news in the last presidential cycle tells me you are not very well informed.

Again though, making this political is dumb.
 
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If the Right was currently running stories on a weekly basis on how being obese is normal, healthy and perfectly fine and no one should be saying anything about it because it might hurt someones feelings and that according to their hand picked science it's an impossible battle you can't win then I would have included them when I referred to Left. I don't know what they were running back under Obama, but if that sort of stuff was being published then I'm glad it stopped.
Michelle Obama's focus as first lady was campaigning against childhood obesity, and being the contrarians they are, the right-wing pushed back against healthier meals in schools for eight years straight.
 

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You are missing the point. Which is, that by your own line of reasoning they dont care of objectivity. Also only caring about the news in the last presidential cycle tells me you are not very well informed.

Politics never interested me until I saw how bad people started treating Conservatives, Christians, Patriots and our President. Sure, I've voted my entire adult life, but beyond the entertainment section of printed news papers I rarely payed any sort of attention to other issues. I had some basic values and beliefs that are common in both parties, but my views mainly align with Conservatives (even though I'm not one). I could have been considered very Liberal fresh out of high school, but after living life for some time I realized that most of those values of views that I held were detrimental to myself and society. So I'm late to the game, but that doesn't mean I views should be simply dismissed (though, I understand the hate coming from the Left, especially considering the "normal" around these parts was simply a daily Conservative/Trump circle jerk bash fest.)
 
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Politics never interested me until I saw how bad people started treating Conservatives, Christians, Patriots and our President. Sure, I've voted my entire adult life, but beyond the entertainment section of printed news papers I rarely payed any sort of attention to other issues. I had some basic values and beliefs that are common in both parties, but my views mainly align with Conservatives (even though I'm not one). I could have been considered very Liberal fresh out of high school, but after living life for some time I realized that most of those values of views that I held were detrimental to myself and society. So I'm late to the game, but that doesn't mean I views should be simply dismissed (though, I understand the hate coming from the Left, especially considering the "normal" around these parts was simply a daily Conservative/Trump circle jerk bash fest.)


Then i would politely say you are missing a big part of the picture and transgressions that both sides have done to each other to reach such a poor state of affairs. I do recommend listening to dissenting voices on both sides. Life is not black and white.
 

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Michelle Obama's focus as first lady was campaigning against childhood obesity, and being the contrarians they are, the right-wing pushed back against healthier meals in schools for eight years straight.

Unless the push back was the fact that parents rather not pay to feed their own children then that's a shame. Children have little to no control over what they eat and if the schools are feeding them junk that's unfortunate. I haven't been in a school in decades, but what we ate was pretty healthy. I myself would often prefer the salad bar because you could go back for seconds.
 
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Why is that video so weird... Anyway, its not okay to be fat, though you can be perfectly happy with your life, and no one should make fun of you for it. I agree you shouldn't "push" that being fat is great, it is unhealthy, pretty sure I'd be considered fat btw, though I 100% know its because I eat too much.

So what about the 10% of women in the world that have PCOS which a side effect of it is uncontrollable weight gain? Is it their fault they were born with something that makes them heavier than women that don't have it? Is it their fault that scientific studies state its upto 4 times harder for someone with PCOS to lose weight?
Yes, it is still their fault. I can understand it being harder for these women to lose weight than others, which is not their fault, but they can still decrease their sugar and fat intake to lose weight while exercising more.
Body fat isn't just produced out of thin air and has to come from somewhere. If it's hard to lose weight, then only they can make themselves try harder.

Though I mostly dont agree with Morvoran, ill give my input, my mom has a thyroid disorder, most of my life she only ate salads (mostly no dressing), she would be considered skinny, but most other women who ate like her would have probably lost much more weight, so yes, life isnt fair, but if you want to be skinny, some people have to work much harder then others.
 

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the bare essentials to being healthy:
-Eat food
-Not too much
-Mostly veggies
-Work out at least 3 times a week for an hour
-Try not to stay in one spot for more than an hour or so at a time
-have consistent and high quality sleep, at least 8 hours

This may or may not lead to you being thin. But it'll help you be healthy and live a richer life. In the end, that's all that matters.
Agreed with most of the post - regular sleep is essential if you intend to improve your metabolism and physical activity is essential if you want to burn excess calories and build muscle mass, which in the long term will burn the calories for you just by the virtue of being there. It's the veggies part that I only partially agree with - this is highly variable depending on genetic lineage. I personally know a diabetic person who could only reduce his blood sugar by avoiding fruit and a large variety of vegetables altogether, switching to meat and fatty foods instead. He simply can't handle any starch or sugar, so his diet is particularly restrictive. He's a big fan of cauliflower - basically carb-free and will pass for potato mash or rice in a pinch. Me, I can't stand the stuff. :P In truth, if someone has trouble losing weight when they're following conventional wisdom, they should visit a specialist, preferably a couple to get some second opinions, and try out alternatives.
 

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Agreed with most of the post - regular sleep is essential if you intend to improve your metabolism and physical activity is essential if you want to burn excess calories and build muscle mass, which in the long term will burn the calories for you just by the virtue of being there. It's the veggies part that I only partially agree with - this is highly variable depending on genetic lineage. I personally know a diabetic person who could only reduce his blood sugar by avoiding fruit and a large variety of vegetables altogether, switching to meat and fatty foods instead. He simply can't handle any starch or sugar, so his diet is particularly restrictive. He's a big fan of cauliflower - basically carb-free and will pass for potato mash or rice in a pinch. Me, I can't stand the stuff. :P In truth, if someone has trouble losing weight when they're following conventional wisdom, they should visit a specialist, preferably a couple to get some second opinions, and try out alternatives.
between you and me, Lettuce has been freaking great though. Works great as a filler. :P
 
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Agreed with most of the post - regular sleep is essential if you intend to improve your metabolism and physical activity is essential if you want to burn excess calories and build muscle mass, which in the long term will burn the calories for you just by the virtue of being there. It's the veggies part that I only partially agree with - this is highly variable depending on genetic lineage. I personally know a diabetic person who could only reduce his blood sugar by avoiding fruit and a large variety of vegetables altogether, switching to meat and fatty foods instead. He simply can't handle any starch or sugar, so his diet is particularly restrictive. He's a big fan of cauliflower - basically carb-free and will pass for potato mash or rice in a pinch. Me, I can't stand the stuff. :P In truth, if someone has trouble losing weight when they're following conventional wisdom, they should visit a specialist, preferably a couple to get some second opinions, and try out alternatives.
perhaps "leafy vegetables" or "non-starch veggies" would be better? I know carrots and english peas have loads of sugars/carbs. Broccoli and baked chicken seem to be the super fat-cutter and muscle builder path of choice, from what I've seen.
 

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perhaps "leafy vegetables" or "non-starch veggies" would be better? I know carrots and english peas have loads of sugars/carbs. Broccoli and baked chicken seem to be the super fat-cutter and muscle builder path of choice, from what I've seen.
Broccoli and chicken go very well together, however I can never help myself and spoil this healthy broth with a good helping of sauce and cheese though. To be fair, you can use double cream if you intend to avoid lactose as well, so it's not impossible to execute. Makes an amazing bake, pro tip!
 

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Foxi4 gets EXACTLY what I have been saying.

Never have I said that genetics wasn't a factor.

And it is not as simple as calories in and out.
The real culprit, is the overprocessed sugar found most in every food.

Cut this out from your diet, and you will easily lose weight, whether you exercise or not.

And it's not just a weight problem, sugar does a lot more than let people gain weight
 
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Broccoli and chicken go very well together, however I can never help myself and spoil this healthy broth with a good helping of sauce and cheese though. To be fair, you can use double cream if you intend to avoid lactose as well, so it's not impossible to execute. Makes an amazing bake, pro tip!

Olive oil and some herbs and spices can be kinda healthy as a topping for both of those things :) (I made that exact meal last night....) Chicken breasts with frozen broccoli is one of my favorite, skin free and mostly fat free.... They tend to leave a little on here and there but baked it's fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Grill-Mates-...&s=pantry&sprefix=Mojito+Lime+,aps,168&sr=8-3

A sprinkle of this (salt and sugar masterpiece) and some olive oil. So good....
 

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Olive oil and some herbs and spices can be kinda healthy as a topping for both of those things :) (I made that exact meal last night....) Chicken breasts with frozen broccoli is one of my favorite, skin free and mostly fat free.... They tend to leave a little on here and there but baked it's fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Grill-Mates-Seasoning-Mojito-Ounce/dp/B07PZ7HQ9B/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2OC6OV2DIAWGJ&fpw=pantry&keywords=mojito+lime+seasoning+mccormick&qid=1571068623&s=pantry&sprefix=Mojito+Lime+,aps,168&sr=8-3

A sprinkle of this (salt and sugar masterpiece) and some olive oil. So good....
I'm more of an animal fats kind of guy, a little bit of butter really makes the flavours pop, but I suppose it depends on what kind of meal you're cooking.
 
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Something I found amusing

Someone gloms on to the autism thing.
Stop pretending as you are making it harder for those with it.
Ditto Tourettes and as long as you are not in the "drug em because why not" US then ditto ADHD et al. Few tweaks for the "I am a sociopath because I saw it on TV and it looked cool" crowd but again not embraced by society at large.

Someone decided that the amputee/wheelchair life is for them but as few sane medics will slice off healthy limbs and self harm at that level is hard to get to the point of...
"Get some help"

Someone puts it about that they are bisexual because it is trendy. Not as bad for men as it was about 10-15 years ago but the amount of vitriol at that one back then... and for ladies the would be college bicurious as the US tends to dub them tend to have a rather hard time of things to this day. We can skip bug chasers today as that is just depressing.

Go in for the transtrender discussion and while there are some oddities (my favourites being those that claim it can't exist as people wouldn't lie/be mistaken) you get the same thing.

The deaf community can get kind of odd at times (see the perceptions of implants) but anybody that cares to wander around daily wearing sound blockers just for giggles is probably not going to get far.

and on and on and on

Someone chooses to embrace being a fat cunt... *points at various replies in this thread*.
 

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