We need a new console maker!

[Weaselpipe]

I've been thinking about this for a while and I believe the console market is becoming stale.
The 3 big companies have become too set in their ways- Microsoft believe people will happily pay for anything with their name on it, despite relying heavily on 3rd party support. Sony have struck a happy medium with regards to 3rd party support but have alienated and pissed off a large portion of their fanbase through poor decisions at the top of the company. Nintendo (god love 'em) are seemingly becoming like Sega did in the mid '90s (too many peripherals and add-ons too quickly) whilst relying solely on the selling power of Mario and Zelda.

Handheld wise, both Nintendo and Sony have reworked their consoles so much (DS, DSLite, DSi, DSiXL/ PSP1000, PSP2000, PSP3000, PSPGo) that the very similar looking next gen (3DS and PSVita) will go largely unnoticed by the average game buyer (for example I know people who do not know the difference between a DSLite and a DSi, and have bought PSPGo then wondered where the UMD's go...)- PSVita has more of a chance as it will most likely be better marketed (even in news reports about the purported headaches, 3DS is still referred to as '3D-DS' thus making DSlite owners think it as a worthless upgrade).

So I think someone new should be given a chance- remember when X-Box was first announced and the post-dreamcast generation scoffed? And when PSX first arrived the Nintendo-Sega people laughed at the prospect of it, then 'I'll give it a try' followed by 'This is great!'.

I guess in a very long winded way I am trying to ask- In this forthcoming Wii-U/PS4/PSvita/3DS generation, who would you like to see releasing a stealth console or handheld?
Someone known for software, like Capcom? The dreaded Apple console? Or someone like Sega making a glorious return to form?

 

[nintendoom]

I want Sega to return For Fun and Comptetion.

 

[emigre]

I honestly don't see a new console maker unless one of the present three pull out of the console market whicih I don't see happening. All three are in decent financial positions and show they have the stomach for the next generation of consoles.

 

[TheDarkSeed]

The problem with that is that A new competitor might have trouble getting game designers to develop for their console. But this is a very good though I'm tired of the big three dominating the market. Alas, there is so much work that goes into making a console out of the blue and being successful. While the vets already have a fanbase to instantly fallback on.

 

[Veho]

I can see On Live catching on and becoming competition to the big three. I know it's not technically a console as such, but it acts like one.

 

[kevan]

But apple is working on one from what I heard?

@Veho (not Urza) - Why doesn't Steam already fill that boat?

 

[Weaselpipe]

It's the continual 'fanboy' accusations that annoy me- weirdly it's only Nintendo vs Sony (do Microsoft have any fanboys?!). I often get accused of being a Nintendo fanboy for defending the 3DS which- honestly- is a GOOD handheld. I am probably a bit of one, but I will get a Vita too.
Of the big 3 Nintendo are the most distanced from it, due to not playing by the rules (the PS3 and 360 have similar specs and 3rd party support, the Wii pioneered a lot of things that the other 2 clamoured to get on board with once Wii had proved it successful- likewise the DS and PSP were vastly different, PSP lending itself better to ports of PS2 games, DS bringing point and click back to the mainstream).

Sega coming out with a killer console would be amazing- they still have enough Dreamcast fans and those of us old enough to recall the Megadrive/Genesis from it's pre- MegaCD/ 32x heyday that it would do relatively well right out of the gate. I wouldn't want Apple to do it, as they'd undercut everyone with hastily made downloadable games and use I-Phone 6 as a joypad.....

 

[kevan]

Your on the wrong forum for MS fanboys

Although PS and Ninty ones are far more dedicated

Edit: What would you think if MS came out with
A handheld?

 

[Weaselpipe]

Your on the wrong forum for MS fanboys

Although PS and Ninty ones are far more dedicated

Edit: What would you think if MS came out with
A handheld?

A Microsoft handheld would be OK, I think the 3DS and Vita need a bit of healthy competition as they are vastly different beasts with completely different specs.

 

[emigre]

Sega coming out with a killer console would be amazing- they still have enough Dreamcast fans and those of us old enough to recall the Megadrive/Genesis from it's pre- MegaCD/ 32x heyday that it would do relatively well right out of the gate. I wouldn't want Apple to do it, as they'd undercut everyone with hastily made downloadable games and use I-Phone 6 as a joypad.....

Sega won't produce a new console. They don't have the money to do so. End of.

QUOTE(Weaselpipe @ Sep 8 2011, 01:04 PM) the Wii pioneered a lot of things that the other 2 clamoured to get on board with once Wii had proved it successful-

Outside of motion controls (which I'm still not convinced about as a control scheme), I'd be curious of what Sony and MS clamoured on.

 

[kthnxshwn]

Sega has more than enough money to produce a new console. No idea where you've read or heard that they didn't.

 

[Weaselpipe]

Sega coming out with a killer console would be amazing- they still have enough Dreamcast fans and those of us old enough to recall the Megadrive/Genesis from it's pre- MegaCD/ 32x heyday that it would do relatively well right out of the gate. I wouldn't want Apple to do it, as they'd undercut everyone with hastily made downloadable games and use I-Phone 6 as a joypad.....

Sega won't produce a new console. They don't have the money to do so. End of.

QUOTE(Weaselpipe @ Sep 8 2011, 01:04 PM) the Wii pioneered a lot of things that the other 2 clamoured to get on board with once Wii had proved it successful-

Outside of motion controls (which I'm still not convinced about as a control scheme), I'd be curious of what Sony and MS clamoured on.

I was being a little facetious, Motion controls are about it (and a proper argument would involve the Eye-Toy, but let's not go down that route). But Sony and Microsoft were very "people want realistic graphics, not hand waggling gimmicks" at the beginning of the generation, then PSMove and Kinect appear
And I wasn't hoping Sega would make a console- just saying it would be amazing if they did (and yes, a lot of the amazement would stem from their lack of money)
Edit- @kthnxshwn I hear it bandied around forums a lot. I dunno, you release just 37 bad Sonic the Hedgehog games and people write you off!

 

[emigre]

Sega has more than enough money to produce a new console. No idea where you've read or heard that they didn't.

I can't see how Sega could afford it unless they make an underpowered console. Producing a new console is going to cost a huge amount and to do so you would need strong financial support which Sony and Microsoft have. From my understanding Sega haven't got that money.

EDIT: They took on several years of losses after the Dreamcast and it seems they're making some decent money in recent years. I'm unconvinced they have the resources to make a new console. It seems to me its more profitable for them to stay as a third party.

 

[rockstar99]

No we dont.

 

[AlanJohn]

It would be nice if atari came back into the game.
They would release a console thats 3x more powerful than the current ones.
Remember the Jaguar?

 

[Weaselpipe]

No we dont.

Best response yet, well thought out and to the point! But we do though, don't we?! Remember the days when the market was oversaturated with consoles from all angles and only the strongest survived regardless of their existing fanbase? In a global recession we need that sort of frivolous attitude to money!

 

[BlueStar]

What would you want from this new console maker? All I see at the moment is two companies making near identical consoles in the form of MS and Sony, and everyone whining that Nintendo should make their consoles more like MS and Sony.

 

[raulpica]

This won't happen, as the smartphone/tablet segment is FAR more profitable.

Sony and Nintendo are still in the market only because they're long standing companies, and they still believe they have to do handhelds.

 

[Weaselpipe]

What would you want from this new console maker? All I see at the moment is two companies making near identical consoles in the form of MS and Sony, and everyone whining that Nintendo should make their consoles more like MS and Sony.
This is my point, we need something innovative and new

QUOTE(raulpica @ Sep 8 2011, 01:40 PM) This won't happen, as the smartphone/tablet segment is FAR more profitable.

Sony and Nintendo are still in the market only because they're long standing companies, and they still believe they have to do handhelds.

Handhelds are my favourite bit, they are less easily replaced than smartphones and aren't a jack of all trades master of none like tablets

 

[SamAsh07]

I want SEGA and Atari back, 5-way Battle Royale