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  1. dragonz

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    I've been out for so long and I was wondering if there's been any advancements in getting the Vwii picture to look any better.
    And by better I mean , apps like sharpscale for the vita or GSDx plugins for the ps2.

    Thanks and sorry if this is heen asked before as I googled it and I didn't come across anything relevant or any plugin that has helped.
     
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  3. dragonz

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    Haha, Yeah no wonder I couldn't find anything on Google....Than I guess it could be worth looking into that M1 hdmi cable I heard people talking about... I wonder if anyone has tested it with Vwii.
     
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    The M-Cable has been tested with Vwii. For wii games I saw that it worked pretty good. The annoyance of it is... in order to get the most out of the cable for that system. One had to change the output to 480p each time you wanted to play wii games. And change the resolution again for wii u games.
     
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    Allegedly, you can get some visual benefits by allowing your TV to upscale the vWii picture instead of allowing the Wii U to do it. You can do this by setting your Wii U resolution to 480p, and then the TV will upscale the image. If you keep the Wii U on Auto/1080/720, the Wii U will upscale the vWii to 1080/720, and it apparently does a very poor job relative to what most televisions would do.
     
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    Wow cool! I had no idea about this, so the settings are on the wii u not vwii?

    And wii u stays in 480p ? So just like the m1 cable you have to manually switch back and forth between auto and 480p?
     
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    The settings are on the Wii U, not the vWii.

    The vWii is going to be 480, no matter what. However, the TV upscaling is allegedly much better than the Wii U's upscaling.

    Yes, you have to manually switch to 480 in the Wii U's settings when you're about to use a vWii game.
     
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    Anyhow I tried this last night and unless I did something wrong - I didn't notice any difference - I happen to own a 4KTV
    and I'm wondering if it does support 480P - by they way when you mentioned " Some visual benefits" - could you elaborate on that - is there anything else I'm supposed to adjust or do - what exactly are these visual benefits?
     
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    A 480 picture that's perfectly upscaled to 1080 is still only ever going to look about as good as a 480 picture. The problem with the Wii U is its native upscaling is far from perfect, which is why it has been argued that using the TV's upscaler is superior. Regardless of how you're upscaling, the goal is only to get it look around as good as a native 480 image.

    You can find a really good list of upscaling techniques here. My guess is the Wii U upscaling does bilinear interpolation (maybe nearest-neighbor interpolation, which would be worse). These are easy from a computational standpoint, but they are more likely to cause artifacts and jaggies than other methods. My understanding is most modern televisions use a combination of bilinear and bicubic, which looks much better.

    I personally cannot tell the difference when using the vWii, but I haven't spent any time comparing the two.

    If your 4K TV can display the Wii U/vWii picture when you have it set to 480, and the picture takes up the whole TV screen, then the TV is doing the upscaling. The questions are a.) Which upscaling algorithm(s) are the TV using, and b.) Are they better than what the Wii U does natively? The answers are probably a.) A mixture of bilinear and bicubic, and b.) It's probably at least a little bit better than what the Wii U does, but it might not be very noticable.
     
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    Another thing to notice is that when the Wii U is set to 480p, the image is also slightly cropped. So you lose a little bit of the image. But when you set it to 1080p, there's going to be black borders so the image does not completely fill the screen.
     
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    Great explanation I happen to work with adobe PS so I understand the different up scaling methods, with that said I do wonder if the TV will add some slight input lag since it's doing all the work now. I'll keep testing .


    This is interesting, I was expecting my TV to give me some black borders when I changed the resolution to 480P and make the image much smaller - but, nothing really happened, the wii u actually prompted me if I wanted to adjust the size of the tv to fit my screen but everything was already filled in. I do wonder if I stretching the screen within the wii u settings if this leads me to adding more interpolation.

    I might actually go back to wii u settings and reduce any stretching - just to see if I can get a nice crisp 480P picture with no interpolation - than I can actually use my 4KTV zoom settings to zoom in the picture.

    I don't know if you guys are familiar with sharpscale on vita but this plug in made the screen run a native resolution and by adjusting your tv zoom settings - the picture was really clear ( no blurriness ) and just looked really good.
     
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    Yeah, the Sharpscale looks awesome. But I don't know if changing the screen size would fix the cropped image. But if you want a reference point for how much of the image you lose, the GamePad shows the vWii in a native 480p resolution and does not have a cropped image.
     
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    Ah cool- I honestly don't play much wii u anymore since I got my switch so I always launch the Vwii without even looking at my wii u game pad. So I'll give that a try as well. And since we are talking about sharpscale and what it did for the vita-
    what exactly would it require to the Vwii to get rid of the blurriness - would it need some plug in that runs the native resolution just like sharpscale or would the actual wii u need to be hacked?
     
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    I'm not exactly sure, but if I had to guess it would have to be something related to how the Wii U handles the vWii video. To be specific, something that has to do with the internal upscaling the Wii U does when the system is set to 720p or 1080p
     
  15. dragonz

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    I kinda made an illustration of what I hope transpires tonight- when I get to test this on my 4KTV - But I somehow doubt it...lol
    anyways check the attachment.

    I honestly don't mind the jaggies - what i do mind is the blurriness these consoles add hence sharpscale for the vita made the PSVITA TV so much more valuable than ever.
     

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    -The only problem is that you have to do it everytime you get in vWii mode, so while less tedious than doing it everytime in the WiiU settings, it won't work for eShop/Wup installed vWii games.-

    EDIT: huh, I probably had the wrong version, considering the thread has been quiet since 2012, then this is the perfect solution actually.
     
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    Strange not on my my WIIU all the settings stayed all my vWii games look much better & I only ever used it once..
     
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    It's not a good comparison.
    You can clearly see that the left picture is just out of focus compared to the one on the left.
    How I know? You can see the pixelgrid in the right photo, but none on the left.
    I can't imagine that the Game looks that blurry. :huh:
     
  20. dragonz

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    Lol...did you read the part where I mentioned that I made an illustration, a.k.a used photoshop and used blurr on the pic if the left snd sharp filter on the right pic.

    And update: I switched the wii u to auto and it looks better than 480p on my TV atleast.
     
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