Valve will attempt to combat review bombing on Steam by removing offtopic and DRM focused reviews

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  1. FAST6191

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    "an offtopic review is defined by if the content focuses on anything unrelated to the game, like DRM debates, personal developer affiliations, or exclusivity complaints."

    While better than a lot of what I have seen from other silicon valley types that still leaves a lot of wiggle room. Also "was off topic" is far more pleasing to most ears.

    Similarly as far as developer affiliations... while I mostly separate art from the artist I can see plenty of scope to discuss it and where people might be inclined to pay more attention to such things, something I will not fault them for in and of itself.

    DRM wise. Well it is a big part of the reason I don't have a steam account (the second being I like the option to resell games or dispose of them at my will). As others said though it can be a major reason for flaws in a game, and reasons to consider things. I am not sure what the right response is here -- most things have some kind of helpful rating system which could be tweaked for this (much like a likes system though it risks the at a boy effect so the most basic implementation will probably have to be tweaked -- lately I have seen several sites say how long the read will be and I am sure you could implement something like that silently).
    Videos because why not

     
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    That's just it, most Steam games don't even use invasive DRM, and most can be played without online DRM at all. It's the ones with garbage Denuvo are the ones that should be avoided.
     
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    Do I need Steam to play the game and does it provide anything that warrants it? Yes and no respectively? Then Steam is DRM.
     
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    Yes, but it's one of the least restrictive DRM out there, offline, able to backup and restore an unlimited no. of times. Can't say the same for shitty Denovo or uPlay.
     
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    If you are content to submit to their will that much, and also lose the ability to resell games, then you do you. Not inclined to do so myself.
     
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    To each their own, I'd rather use Steam than an inferior digital storefront like Origin, Uplay or Epic's garbage. No sense in me trying to explain or convince people.
     
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    Such programs eventually catch up -- no software that is a UI has ever been so far advanced that others could not catch it. Granted I don't see the need to have launchers and store fronts in general.
     
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    I suppose that I was wrong in showing my support of Steam and how it handles its own DRM. My apologies.
     
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    I thought you were working on not throwing your hands up if a debate is not resolved to your satisfaction.

    If you like it then so be it. I see it as a pointless exercise, one that restricts my freedoms to play as I will, that represents a private entity having a say on what games get out there in the world (one with a very suspect history) and also prevents me from sharing with friends or selling on to others. To that end I am of the "would not piss on it were it on fire, saving that the fire has already killed it and a final insult is necessary" persuasion and encourage that in others. There might well be more restrictive things out there but two wrongs and rights and all that.
     
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    Even I don't know what the hell I'm doing or why I do what I do. Been struggling with some interpersonal shit right now. Sorry that I do that.

    I don't know what I could add to the discussion.
     
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    This isnt a good thing. Steam is basically saying now that if you comment on how the game ran badly because of Denuvo, or give it a bad score because it has spyware in it like Redshell, they will remove your review. Basically they get to pick and choose what are ok reasons to dislike a game and what arent.
     
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    Again, censorship like this is for the thin-skinned, pusillanimous developer who can't take criticism.
     
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    People crying "oh mah God drm!" don't have a right to review the product. Discussing the performance impact is another issue entirely. I'd hope steam wouldn't censor the legitimate reviews and stomp out the ones whining because of DRM.
     
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    Denuvo has been known to affect performance, so including that in a review I think is fine. Ubisoft games are notorious for extra DRM killing performance *cough* AC: Odyssey *cough*
     
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    Covered that. Leaving a negative cuz "durrr DRM" is entirely different than bringing to light the issues it brings. DMC V is a prime example as well. Denuvo is hot trash.
     
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    Alrighty, fair enough indeed.
     
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    List of DRM-free games on Steam. Of course, it's easier to just go GoG.

    Yea, that seems like a much stronger deal breaker to me...if I actually cared about it. By that, I mean, maybe I'm not "legally" allowed to resell games but if it came down to it I wouldn't have moral compunction against packaging up a DRM-free version of a game, selling it, and then removing all instances I have of it while adding it to a "Sold" list to remind myself never to download/play it. That's obviously a horrible work around, so I totally understand not wanting to mess with it.
     
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    I have done as such (or at least given to friends that way), and on other services I have often done individual emails for each new game to keep them all split up. Similarly I have not traded in a game to a shop... possibly since the dreamcast ended, and that was the first since the end of the 16 bit era (still have all my N64 games). Traded a few with friends but that is a different matter.

    What I mainly care about from a personal perspective is the ability to buy from others, something which necessarily means everybody gets a chance to resell.
    Would also solve the problem with delisted games.
     
  19. Xzi

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    Doesn't seem like a bad idea. Mentioning the DRM as part of the pros/cons is fine, but reviews that only talk about the DRM are pretty useless.
     
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    Good. It's about time. Valve needs to understand their mediocre lawless review system can hurt sales and thus requires actual attention. If you actually read through negative steam reviews, 90% are retarded. Obviously savvy people just find a real way to judge the game, but there are plenty of normies who will see a shaky steam rating and take it as fact.

    Except it almost never does unless the DRM is overtuned. Which accounts for maybe 4 games. All actual properly done tests have otherwise shown DRM does literally nothing to performance. Unless maybe you're on Windows 95 with a Mb of ram. The only people who thinks it affects performance are the proud owners of legendary tinfoil hats and yet nothing inside their head for it to protect.
     
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