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Wow~ cool, not source to an actual article or anything, this is mostly because that shit just straight-up broke
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GG, why not just provide a link to an article or something? I literally already Google this and you shot that down. So I then Googled it again using TOR and got the same results as the first one. So it seems simply Googling it isn't enough to constitute a replacement for providing a source on your end.
 

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Wow~ cool, not source to an actual article or anything, this is mostly because that shit just straight-up broke
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GG, why not just provide a link to an article or something? I literally already Google this and you shot that down. So I then Googled it again using TOR and got the same results as the first one. So it seems simply Googling it isn't enough to constitute a replacement for providing a source on your end.

If you want to pretend Trump did not negotiate a withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Taliban and are to lazy click a link I don't care, it's common knowledge that event take place verifiable at any news outlet you like. What will not be transpiring me is taking your bait to complain about the source or platform.
 

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Wow~ cool, not source to an actual article or anything, this is mostly because that shit just straight-up broke
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GG, why not just provide a link to an article or something? I literally already Google this and you shot that down. So I then Googled it again using TOR and got the same results as the first one. So it seems simply Googling it isn't enough to constitute a replacement for providing a source on your end.

Anything good to you? Deal seamed good. Biden destroyed it into flames.

https://law.stanford.edu/2020/12/07/the-u-s-taliban-agreement-and-the-afghan-peace-process/
 
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Again, before the US invasion, Afghanistan was a brewing place for extremist, many were training there.
Our invasion did nothing to stop that, they just moved those training grounds out of cities and into the mountains.

I do think that if Biden didnt leave abruptly and left in a certain way that the Afghan authorities could take it from there, we wouldve seen a different approach than what we have now.
I think it could've been different if Trump didn't lend legitimacy to the Taliban by negotiating with them instead of the Afghani government. The moment he decided to do that, the Taliban became heirs apparent to the country, their takeover became inevitable no matter who was elected in 2020. Only difference with Trump is that it would've happened much sooner, May 1st.
 

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Anything good to you? Deal seamed good. Biden destroyed it into flames.

https://law.stanford.edu/2020/12/07/the-u-s-taliban-agreement-and-the-afghan-peace-process/
Two major problems with it: it's a deal with the devil, and it does nothing to protect the Afghani government/military. Basically, the same thing happened without the agreement that would've happened with it: US forces evacuated safely, while the Taliban targeted the country's own citizens. Additionally, the Taliban didn't uphold their end of the agreement to cut ties with Al'Queda, so the whole thing was void anyway.
 

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Our invasion did nothing to stop that, they just moved those training grounds out of cities and into the mountains.


I think it could've been different if Trump didn't lend legitimacy to the Taliban by negotiating with them instead of the Afghani government. The moment he decided to do that, the Taliban became heirs apparent to the country, their takeover became inevitable no matter who was elected in 2020. Only difference with Trump is that it would've happened much sooner, May 1st.

Exactly the point, you were commenting Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911, yet they were keeping extremist who attacked in US Soil. A few messages back you said there was no point and now you understand that they did play a part in the attacks of 2001.

No matter if an invasion did occur or not, extremist were already having plans on how to attack the US. What do you wanted the US to do? To sit back and send a few flowers and chocolates to them? If the towers and the Pentagon werent attacked, they would've found another target. If i remember correcly they wanted to bomb a nucleair power plant or infect the drinking tap water. Unfortunately they wouldn't have given up, they would keep trying to cause harm. The invasion made them realize that they couldnt just attack targets and not expect any retailation.

If Trump would've just negotiated with the Afghan government, the extremist would carried out attacks on different bases againts the Afghan authorities, hence the idea to see if a deal could be made to stop the bloodshed.

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This heartbreaking, the poor girls that will go through hell. If only Biden didnt rush things and botched the withdrawal. So many people that will go through horrible moments. The abandonement of the Afghan people could've been avoided. My heart aches for them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-slowly-history-country-seized-Taliban.html
 
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Exactly the point, you were commenting Afghanistan had norhing to do with 911, yet they were keeping extremist who attacked in US Soil. A few messages back you said there was no point and now you understand that they did play a part in the attacks of 2001.
I said the Taliban maintained training camps in Afghanistan both before and after our invasion. I didn't say those training camps had anything to do with 9/11, because they didn't. Again, the 9/11 attacks were planned and funded by Saudi Arabia, using members of Al'Queda as the sacrificial lambs.

No matter if an invasion did occur or not, extremist were already having plans on how to attack the US. What do you wanted the US to do? To sit back and send a few flowers and chocolates to them? If the towers and the Pentagon werent attacked, they would've found another target.
So now we're talking about future-crime? What is this, Minority Report? We can prevent attacks we have actionable intelligence on, but not attacks that only exist in our imagination.

If Trump would've just negotiated with the Afghan government
But he didn't. He deliberately chose to negotiate with the Taliban instead. From that point onward, it was guaranteed they'd be the ones taking over after US withdrawal.
 

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This heartbreaking, the poor girls that will go through hell. If only Biden didnt rush things and botched the withdrawal. So many people that will go through horrible moments. The abandonement of the Afghan people could've been avoided. My heart aches for them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-slowly-history-country-seized-Taliban.html

Biden has supported every military conflict and act of interventionism put before him since entering office 40 some odd years ago, the man is a warmonger.

He is withdrawing because because of the political pressure of being unable/unwilling to reverse Trumps withdrawal, he has to maintain the false premise that the left is some how not culpable in the actions of the military industrial complex which he has eagerly supported his entire life.

Biden is simply allowing a withdrawal now, let things go to shit and send us back in to this conflict after the next terror attack or humanitarian disaster. And if he don't future administrations will.
 

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Biden has supported every military conflict and act of interventionism put before him since entering office 40 some odd years ago, the man is a warmonger.
This is true, but I'm certainly not going to complain about it if his actions as president don't reflect his past.

He is withdrawing because because of the political pressure of being unable/unwilling to reverse Trumps withdrawal
That's nonsense, he already delayed Trump's scheduled withdrawal by several months, and there was nothing stopping him from calling it off altogether. Just as there wasn't anything stopping Trump from completing the withdrawal ahead of time if he wanted to be given the credit for it (whatever "credit" there might be in handing the country over to the Taliban, anyway).
 

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This is true, but I'm certainly not going to complain about it if his actions as president don't reflect his past.


That's nonsense, he already delayed Trump's scheduled withdrawal by several months, and there was nothing stopping him from calling it off altogether. Just as there wasn't anything stopping Trump from completing the withdrawal ahead of time if he wanted to be given the credit for it (whatever "credit" there might be in handing the country over to the Taliban, anyway).

Canceling the withdrawal was political suicide for the entire DNC and they weren't going to allow Trump or anyone else a "told you so".
 

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Canceling the withdrawal was political suicide for the entire DNC and they weren't going to allow Trump or anyone else a "told you so".
If military leaders had told the truth about the Afghani military's inability to stand up for itself, I guarantee the schedule for withdrawal would've been extended quite a bit, if not canceled entirely. Instead I'm sure they told the Biden administration the same thing they told the GWB/Obama/Trump administration: "everything's fine."
 

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If military leaders had told the truth about the Afghani military's inability to stand up for itself, I guarantee the schedule for withdrawal would've been extended quite a bit, if not canceled entirely. Instead I'm sure they told the Biden administration the same thing they told the GWB/Obama/Trump administration: "everything's fine."

You do realize Military leadership is appointed by the sitting President, if they are lying to him that is his fault.

The mental gymnastics around Biden's warmongering would take the gold. You all accuse conservatives of being conspiracy theorists "The military is lying to the commander and chief in the chain of command".

LMAO
 
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You do realize Military leadership is appointed by the sitting President, if they are lying to him that is his fault.
Generals tend to carry over from one administration to the next, it's only typical of the bureaucrats at the Pentagon to get replaced consistently. And most Generals never see a potential war that they think they can't win, which is why this is the fourth administration they've been lying to.
 
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Again, we spend more money on our military and homeland defense than the next ten countries combined. So long as we have competent leadership that doesn't ignore intelligence on credible threats, there's no need to live in constant fear of the Middle East.
Wasn't that also true in 2001? I agree that living in fear is pointless but the overall concerns seem justified to an extent.
 
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Yes, it was. 9/11 was preventable, Bush was given actionable intelligence on that threat multiple times in the months leading up to it. Which is why I said "so long as we have competent leadership."
I can't make a case for Bush's competence, but it does seem unlikely that nobody else around him was able to see the threat if there was evidence. Also, if that was indeed the case (that it was a failing of his leadership) then it seems like the whole system of having a president is extremely flawed.
 

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I can't make a case for Bush's competence, but it does seem unlikely that nobody else around him was able to see the threat if there was evidence.
The intelligence on the threat was left specifically on his desk for him to review, several times. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he never even read it.

Also, if that was indeed the case (that it was a failing of his leadership) then it seems like the whole system of having a president is extremely flawed.
After 9/11, intelligence agencies were given expanded powers and the ability to share information on credible threats between agencies without the president's involvement. Of course, we got shit like the Patriot Act saddled on us too, so it was far from being all positive changes. Still a bad idea to elect borderline-illiterate people as president, obviously. They might mishandle a pandemic and cause the deaths of 500,000 Americans in a single year. :wink:
 
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