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  1. DANTENDO

    DANTENDO I Won year sub Edge mag 1996 hot topic digitiser
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    They say America greatest country on earth do me a favour ther an embarasment - thers no need for anyone to hav a gun ther only needed if a country go's to war and for military only
     
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    Nice try, except the second shooter was none of these things and was basically you guys instead.

    Connor Betts: Twitter Posts on Being a Leftist, Guns
     
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    Nonsense, we don't even have universal background checks in place, and that's something that people of both parties agree should be implemented.

    Poverty and mental illness are both problems that need to be addressed in this country, I don't think anyone is denying that. The fact that it's easier to gain access to guns than to get help with either of these problems makes the situation that much more volatile, however.
     
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    "We took away guns and gun violence plummeted". Great. You just moved the goal post to another sector of violence. Guns don't create violence, people create violence. Guns are a convenient tool used to express that violence. All removing guns would do is shuffle the problem under the rug where you can't see it anymore.

    Poverty isn't the only cause of violence. Many other factors are at play here. I even alluded to one in my second post.
    If you think the end game of politics to secure power isn't to divide and conquer, which is exactly what is happening, I don't know how to better express it than to ask for you to look through history. Power has always been secured by demonizing one sector of the population and deeming them the enemy.
     
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    Like i said Nuance is gone on this topic.

    in many similar threads i have said how i understand how some people may need something to protect themselves. However when said thing is capable of mowing down people by the dozens, and people going "dont take them away, they will just find another way to do it" seems like they are moving the goalpost themselves. it just boils down to said folks being ok with said tragedies happening over and over and over again.
     
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    If the only goal is to stop gun violence because people aren't happy with this specific type of tragedy happening, sure, removing guns solves that problem de facto. However, that doesn't solve the problem. It's ultimate form of shifting the goal post by simply rebranding it, neglecting to mention that these events will simply happen elsewhere. Generalization is different that goal post shifting. By pointing out that guns are a symptom, I am pointing out the specification that the topic has reached and the fact that a larger topic is being discussed by proxy of a subtopic.
     
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    By your logic you may as well wipe out humanity, because there's always a reason to hate, you can't satisfy all sides, world peace will never happen.
    Humans are the cause, weapons are a means to an end, if you want to solve the problem by the root, you remove the root.

    Truth is that guns make it a hell of a lot more easier to kill a large amount of people, your reasoning that they would just shift to other means is true, but you're standing by it way too strongly in saying "taking away guns won't solve the problem". Problem solving isn't always a simple as taking 1 step and hope it's done.
    People will aways find means to kill people, but you can at least make it less easy.
     
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    I firmly believe that guns don't make it easier to kill someone than any other tool. I believe the perception that they have gained has caused people to make them their go to choice for committing such acts. By taking them away, you are encouraging people to seek out other methods to express their hate.

    I said in a different post, mass shootings are only a small fraction of the crimes committed by the use of guns. People only focus on them so much because of the optics that they gather. It's distracting them from other, potentially worse, crimes or methods that would stand to see a gain by the simple removal of the tool.
     
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    Taking guns away would sure help. It would make the entry barrier much higher (because you would need to try to find a gun on the black market first) and that might stop many people who do this in affect. Sure, you can kill people with other things but they are far less effective, many people less would be killed. Having a gun makes it way too easy.
    Sure, you can build grenade-like weapons on your own. But again, the barrier to do so (finding instructions, getting the stuff etc) is much higher.

    Having strict gun control helps. Many other countries show that - sure, there are also shootings but far less. Having an argument about something that is proven to work doesn't make sense.
     
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    Might as well put speed-bumps every 1/2 mile on every road because it would help slow down drunk drivers... While we are at it, ban restaurants, it will help slow down obesity...
     
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    One of the most stupid comments I've ever heard
     
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    Laws used to be a method to guide people to a harmonious existence as a society. Law enforcement was a byproduct of that. Tyranny is a byproduct of that.

    We don't call it "gun violence" when a government threatens its own people with a militia that's armed with guns.

    It's a perpetual cycle where the strongest gunmen reign.

    The root of gun violence is in our political nature, arrogantly believing that we can control others. It sets up the conditions where people try to rise above that control and decide this:

     
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    You realize that it is much easier, faster, and quieter to kill with an object such as a knife? It isn't a stupid comment. It is only stupid to ignore such ideas and pretend like society is a fantasy where guns are the only malicious tool.
     
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    let me know when a knife can mow down 34 people at once.
     
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    Never claimed that. Fallacies are weak arguments.
     
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    Nice way to avoid the entire point.
    You don't believe guns make it easier to kill? I said it makes it easier to kill a lot in a short amount of time. You can't do the same amount of damage with a knife in the same amount of time as you can with a gun, unless you're some kind of literal kinetic knife throwing ninja.

    And the other person with the moot arguments on drunk drivers and restaurants, those are completely seperate issues, what is your point besides bringing up almost literal food analogy?
     
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    I don’t know who you were replying to but laws are needed within a nation. You ever see the Purge?
     
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    what fallacy? the point is that a knife cant lead to 34 people being killed immediately, yes you can probably beat someone to death with a spoon if you really tried but to compare it to something that can run down people by the dozens is absurd.
     
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    Another stupid comment so yr telling me tht guy who killed over 70 people in america from a hotel room down below in a crowd would of killed more with a knife - laughable mate
     
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    If you are replying to me, I suggest that you read what I said, and to who I said it to. I quoted who I was replying to in the very beginning. If you want to say something that relates to what I said, I'm listening.
     
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