Oy, where to begin with this one...
I can't tell if you're trolling, or if you are really this profoundly ignorant.. In short…
First, the ideology of those against abortion rights is rooted in theology.
FALSE: There are many people opposed to abortion who are atheistic or agnostic.
FALSE: Abortion is not a right. Never was.
Any compromise would legitimize a state religion and that would be a pretty miserable state of affairs.
FALSE: The USA has a myriad of cultural and religious exceptions in its law, which is one of the main reasons that so many people migrated there. The end effect has been a pluralism, and not a monolith state law. All of history would seem to contradict your horrifying assertion agains… “compromise.” Are you also against peace & love?
Roe v Wade may not have had the strongest legal foundation, but the Supreme Court did honor it and consistently had elected officials bring it up before adding members to the bench, only to have many members betray the trust of the representatives of the people. It might have been struck down on a legal premise, but it was removed over a theological concept against the will of the populous it serves.
FALSE: The extremely well documented problems with Roe v Wade is strictly constitutional law. There is no theological argument being made.
Admitting that abortion is murder is just wrong on its face. Unless menstruation is accidental manslaughter like Baxter's insane rant about soul vessels and "natural death", it isn't murder, it is a medical procedure done for a myriad of reasons on something with the potential for life.
FALSE: Infanticide is murder. The question is when does abortion become infanticide? Is it ok to allow abortion one minutes after a baby is born? How about one minute before? Once you admit there is a limit. There is a real, blurry aline that needs to be dealt with. Ad-absurdium arguments about menstruation are about as uselessly childish as covering your ears and screaming ‘I can't hear you!’
If you're having an issue about when something is viable or alive or whatever, I encourage you to talk with somebody who has had an abortion or even a miscarriage. It is an emotional, painful thing, something nobody would wish on themselves a second time let alone anybody else, and accusing people of being murderers on top of it is just disgusting.
FALSE: I have spoken with people who have had abortions, and am deeply sympathetic towards them. I have never, and would never, EVER, equate them with murderers. I ask that you apologize for publicly making such a disgraceful false statement about me.
That mere fact that you mention "miscarriages" reveals a profound lack of self-awareness. Why would anyone care about miscarriage? It's just a thing that happens your body, like indigestion? Nothing has been lost, right?
Topping off, like I've said before, nobody has a 5 month abortion just because they got a wild hair up their butt one day. I don't know what kinds of scenarios guys think women get abortions for, but it just doesn't work like that.
FALSE: This has literally nothing to do with sex & gender politics. The fact is that most anti-bortion (and pro-choice) lobbyist are female.
There is no room for compromise here, women are masters of their own bodies and should be able to choose if something should or shouldn't be inside of them.
FALSE: There is always room for compromise. There is only no room for compromise if you want to fight a forever war. You could easily open your eyes and see that the overwhelming majority of people do not believe that women should be able to kill their unborn child right up to the moment it traverses the vaginal canal.
IF there is some lady out there who wants to endure all the pain and agony of going to 5 months routinely just so they can imagine they're a mass murderer, that person needs mental help immediately, not legal repercussions.
FALSE: I have never, ever, equated abortion with mass-murder. I ask that you apologize for publicly making such a disgraceful false statement about me.
Everyone else has reasons, and men have to learn to respect that. End of story.
FALSE: Men have every bit as responsibility as women to protect their unborn children, and to protect the bodily autonomy of women. Sex & gender are not a zero-sum game.
Oh, if this thread has proven anything, it is EASY to argue. Difficult to convince others on, maybe, but at least in America, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, so the argument is that religion shouldn't alter policy.
FALSE: The argument is not religions. Never was. You clearly haven't bothered to read my message, or the leaked Supreme Court doc.
And here we come back to my favorite. I'll tell you what, you come up with a way to have a birth with your own body in a society where all your needs for a happy and healthy life for you and your child are guaranteed by the government, and I will humor this argument endlessly. Until then, I'm going to focus on the fact that you say it is a blessing with no earthly idea of what it can do to your body and mind and pocketbook and personal goals, and that you actually said the quiet part out loud and mentioned the church becoming the state. Good luck with that in Japan.
You are literally arguing my assertions that there needs to be compassion, compromise, limits, social supports in order to find peace. Good luck with your angry extremism.
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