U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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Lol and the others don't? You think you're the only one working? Get real. You're the only one selfish and well-off enough to ignore what doesn't directly affect you.
Me? Selfish? Well off? Don't make me laugh, bucko.
They did have a permit.
Then don't block highways. That's just a invitation to killing yourself, a darwin award.
Like where? A city has only so many places to reach the City Hall.
Like maybe no major roads,a specific route like parades have.
 

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What's the argument? All pregnancy that ends in abortion means that getting pregnant happened without consent? Or is it that getting pregnant is like getting your nose broken?

Resetting your nose doesn't make it not broken, but getting an abortion does make one not pregnant.
It depends on how good your surgeon is fixing your nose. And how good the abortion is.

Ideally you'd end up in the position you always wanted to be.

Without you breathing down their necks saying "but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1"

Well sorry I cannot protest because I have something called a minimum wage job, which will punish me harshly if I miss a single day for something unimportant because it's called work, not take off time for your own interests-rk.
The irony.
 

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It depends on how good your surgeon is fixing your nose. And how good the abortion is.

Ideally you'd end up in the position you always wanted to be.

Without you breathing down their necks saying "but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1"

This isn't an abortion clinic or a hospital. It is a thread about the controversy surrounding the Roe v Wade leak on a gaming forum.
 

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Are you ok?

Because that is the weirdest post I've ever seen from you and that is saying something.
It doesn't say anything really, mainly because it's you saying it. If you are accusing me of breathing down your neck and saying "you consented," it is only because you found your way here, of all places, and asked me to tell you how.
 

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It doesn't say anything really, mainly because it's you saying it. If you are accusing me of breathing down your neck and saying "you consented," it is only because you found your way here, of all places, and asked me to tell you how.
And you keep making not even a iota of sense.
 

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And you keep making not even a iota of sense.

"Without you breathing down their necks saying "but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1""

Please make sense of the relevance of this. I'm not sneaking into abortion clinics and hospitals, breathing down people's necks and saying,"but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1"
 

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"Without you breathing down their necks saying "but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1""

Please make sense of the relevance of this. I'm not sneaking into abortion clinics and hospitals, breathing down people's necks and saying,"but you consented, YOU CONSENTED!!!!!!!!!1"
Actually, you are. There's plenty of doctors and nurses who, from their imaginary pedestal, judge women and do their best to dissuade them from exercising freedom and autonomy for their bodies just because they are sanctimonious twats. So YOU, personally, may not (maybe because you're not allowed in hospitals unless as patient?) but whoever acts with your same ideas certainly does.
 

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Actually, you are. There's plenty of doctors and nurses who, from their imaginary pedestal, judge women and do their best to dissuade them from exercising freedom and autonomy for their bodies just because they are sanctimonious twats. So YOU, personally, may not (maybe because you're not allowed in hospitals unless as patient?) but whoever acts with your same ideas certainly does.
You know, context matters, right? I'm not sure how many abortions you had, or how many abortionists breathed down your neck, telling you that you consented. I can tell you that I wasn't one of them.
 

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You know, context matters, right? I'm not sure how many abortions you had, or how many abortionists breathed down your neck, telling you that you consented. I can tell you that I wasn't one of them.
And as I just said, I'm not disputing that YOU personally, as in physical person, didn't do it. But YOU "pro-birthers" have been doing it for half a century now. So it doesn't really matter if you don't do it personally, your faction does it, and you are complicit in it.
 

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And as I just said, I'm not disputing that YOU personally, as in physical person, didn't do it. But YOU "pro-birthers" have been doing it for half a century now. So it doesn't really matter if you don't do it personally, your faction does it, and you are complicit in it.
My faction? What are you on about? Again, context matters.

I'm not sure what "pro-birther" means to you, but I'm not encouraging the enforcement of birthing. I do like a happy family though. Sorry?
 

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My faction? What are you on about? Again, context matters.

I'm not sure what "pro-birther" means to you, but I'm not encouraging the enforcement of birthing. I do like a happy family though. Sorry?
You totally are, since you're both anti-abortion and absolutely against measures of a, can't get around it, socialist, nature, to ensure that the right to live a GOOD life of the child are enforced. This is because you're not pro-life, you're just pro-birth, largely because of a desire to punish women for having sex and a (worrying) sense of entitlement and control on their bodies.
 

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You totally are, since you're both anti-abortion and absolutely against measures of a, can't get around it, socialist, nature, to ensure that the right to live a GOOD life of the child are enforced. This is because you're not pro-life, you're just pro-birth, largely because of a desire to punish women for having sex and a (worrying) sense of entitlement and control on their bodies.
Show me where I am anti abortion. @smf has proven to be more anti abortion than I. I argue ethics and logical arguments, but I don't condemn anyone or wish promote for them to be ruled over.
 
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A child is a baby adult and a fetus is a baby baby. You are your mother's baby. Are we clear?

I wouldn't take anyone's words about my consciousness over my own. So, I wouldn't advocate people doing that, in general.

If you think your grandfather, who is on life support, should be unplugged--it is probably because you think there is no hope for him.

But to do that for developing baby? I doubt you are aware enough to speak on the awareness of others.

I've made the point before @Lacius, that the analogy of forced organ transplant does not coordinate with the conditions of a forced pregnancy. It is a broken analogy of convenience. You apparently hate analogies, and only use them as a last resort. (You are bad at them)

A life is created and it is indentured to its condition. Those responsible to creating this indentured condition are responsible for maintaining it, or providing an alternative that is better, not worse--unless they are willing to sacrifice that life. Your organ transplant analogy will not acknowledge a situation where the person being forced to give an organ made the organ transplant necessary.

And yes, sex does lead to pregnancy, if done correctly. The pregnancy is a reasonable expectation. When would you argue that people should not be responsible for the consequences of their actions when the consequences are the expected outcome?

It's not because I said it that makes it true. It's because it's true that it's true. It's a matter of record now. You brought up blood transfusions as if they changed the point. You are either an idiot or did not read. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.



You seem to like to keep making these accusations, without backing them up.



A woman is responsible for her body, whether she is pregnant or not. "Responsibility" is not a moral claim, here. Whether she gets an abortion or carries to term, that is her response-ability. If the state could force a woman to carry to term, or abort, that would make it the state's responsibility.

I already told you why I used the word "consequence", and I find it daft that I would have to explain the biological role of sex.

Though consequence isn't always negative, in the analogy it was likened as an affliction. It was out of respect to the nomenclature used, not a personal belief.

If A -> B. Even though many people respond to pregnancy with a Pikachu face, it isn't because the outcome is an unreasonable one.

I understand your perspective about the role of the state and that the state should be held liable in forcing harmful outcomes on its people. I disagree that the analogy was "perfectly serviceable" for the reason I already pointed.

If you have a complaint about the argument I made, then I would like to hear it. Diversions to hating women or not being capable of "finding sex" are not appreciated.

In attempt to be progressive, if someone stabbed you in your kidney, and they are a good match as a donor, would you consider it justice that you take their kidney?

The biological function of sex is reproduction. Having sex is consent to the "risks" involved.



Your question didn't factor in how the parents are creating the conditions for their children's ailments. It is intentionally blurring causality. If you want to ask me if one thinks a parent should be required to feed and shelter their children, well I doubt anyone would contest that.

All these u?

@smf that true? You're more anti-abortion than tabzer?
 

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All these u?

@smf that true? You're more anti-abortion than tabzer?
None of that promoted the adjustment or enforcement of any legislature or laws. @smf is on record suggesting that some adjustment to the window may be acceptable (something like that).

If you don't like my arguments, then why are you holding onto them?
 

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None of that promoted the adjustment or enforcement of any legislature or laws. @smf is on record suggesting that some adjustment to the window may be acceptable (something like that).

If you don't like my arguments, then why are you holding onto them?
I'm actually holding YOU accountable to your "arguments". I'm not holding onto them, keeping them close to my heart.

And frankly, just like @smf , I also agree that abortion shouldn't be UNRESTRICTED, as in demanding one at a 8 months 3 weeks pregnancy stage. Because pro-choice individuals, despite the bilious propaganda of pro-birthers Republicans and religious nutcases (usually both simultaneously) are NOT child killers (let alone the fact that foetuses aren't children, because if they were, they'd be called children, and not foetuses).
 
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I'm actually holding YOU accountable to your "arguments". I'm not holding onto them, keeping them close to my heart.

And frankly, just like @smf , I also agree that abortion shouldn't be UNRESTRICTED, as in demanding one at a 8 months 3 weeks pregnancy stage. Because pro-choice individuals, despite the bilious propaganda of pro-birthers Republicans and religious nutcases (usually both simultaneously) are NOT child killers (let alone the fact that foetuses aren't children, because if they were, they'd be called children, and not foetuses).

You say you are holding me accountable to my arguments. Can you point out what you disagree with, or specifically why?

Both of you have promoted for more restrictions, while I have not. Isn't that ironic?
 

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I'm not sure where someone from the UK would have a say on American politics, or why they should.
And here comes the racist "argument".

Well done, you're checking all the RepubliKKKan checkboxes! You must be a Proud Boy.

Noted how I'm not the only one not American but you singled me out with your xenophobic drivel.


You say you are holding me accountable to my arguments. Can you point out what you disagree with?
First of all, your nonsense about a foetus being a baby. Not the same, and you know it. In fact I doubt you'd be able to distinguish a human foetus from a pig one.

Secondly, your nonsensical idea of people having to "suffer the consequences of sex" because they implicitly consented to them. First of all, you're a creep for thinking that. Secondly, humans aren't breeding cows. We can reproduce because virtually all living things can reproduce, some without sex. If the Lord made it so enjoyable, it was certainly to motivate us to reproduce and multiply, but First and foremost for us to enjoy.
 
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