U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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The truth is I don't even know why I'm talking about this on a page about videogames, unlocking consoles and homebrew, I came here for help with homebrew not to talk about things that are clearly bad like abortion
Yes, its bad.
But its not your choice to make.
You're guessing if you think you know everyone's experience in life.
 

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A person who is brain dead may appear alive – there may be a heartbeat, they may look like they're breathing, their skin may still be warm to the touch. But doctors say there is no life when brain activity ceases.
That may be true for coma patients, but I believe that that is untrue when it comes to babies.

Think about it, if a heartbeat didn't mean life, then what the hell would it mean?
 

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That may be true for coma patients, but I believe that that is untrue when it comes to babies.

Think about it, if a heartbeat didn't mean life, then what the hell would it mean?
Belief has nothing to do with it, a fetus has a heartbeat long before it shows any brain activity. Kind of a necessary prerequisite.
 

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That may be true for coma patients, but I believe that that is untrue when it comes to babies.

Think about it, if a heartbeat didn't mean life, then what the hell would it mean?
heartbeat doesn't matter if they cant feel, just cause they have a heart, doesn't mean their alive and can feel pain.
 
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Belief has nothing to do with it, a fetus has a heartbeat long before it shows any brain activity. Kind of a necessary prerequisite.
but the heartbeat leads to the brain developing, therefore we must base it on heartbeat and not brain activity.
 

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but the heartbeat leads to the brain developing, therefore we must base it on heartbeat and not brain activity.
That doesn't make any sense. The brain is what determines consciousness and allows us to understand the concept of pain. Both worms and fish have a heartbeat, but they don't register pain in the same way that fully-developed humans do, they only react to stimuli.
 
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That doesn't make any sense. The brain is what determines consciousness and allows us to understand the concept of pain. Both worms and fish have a heartbeat, but they don't register pain in the same way that fully-developed humans do, they only react to stimuli.
But if the heartbeat starts, then that's a sign it's developing. Therefore, to base it on brain activity is just criminal.
 

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But if the heartbeat starts, then that's a sign it's developing. Therefore, to base it on brain activity is just criminal.
There was never any question that fetuses are in the process of developing at the time of abortion, the cells spend several weeks multiplying before most women even become aware that they're pregnant. The question is: at what point does it go from just a ball of cells passively existing, to a human being with active thoughts and feelings? And my answer would be: not until there's a significant amount of brain activity, which is fairly late into a pregnancy.
 
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I wouldn't take anyone's words about my consciousness over my own. So, I wouldn't advocate people doing that, in general.

If you think your grandfather, who is on life support, should be unplugged--it is probably because you think there is no hope for him.

But to do that for developing baby? I doubt you are aware enough to speak on the awareness of others.
 

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Are you telling me I'm wrong?

I gave you the metric I use when life starts and that if you've already forgotten its when the egg is fertilized. I do believe in God, but I don't measure when life starts from any passage in the Bible. I simply have a gut feeling that I go by. I did link to a religious organization as one of 2 links I provided, but I didn't link to it because I'm a Christian. I linked to them because I wanted to provide the most accurate answer to @smf 's question, which was what percentage of women get an abortion out of convenience.

Of course, I am attacked over the sources because they shine a light on the percentages, which are all 80-90% of women have abortions over simple convenience and that makes the pro-choice people look bad. However, I don't need to post manipulated statistics. I simply wanted to answer smf's question. I could care less if the figures were 10%, 33% or the 80-90%. @Foxi4 even provided his own link containing statistics that also answer smf's question and the results are around the same as the two sites I linked to. @SyphenFreht also provided 3 links to sites, but they didn't answer smf's question so I'm not even sure why he linked to them.

So to sum it up I am religious, but my opinion comes from a gut feeling. So yes, your assumption was wrong.

SexiestManAlive said:
blah, blah, blah

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There was never any question that fetuses are in the process of developing at the time of abortion, the cells spend several weeks multiplying before most women even become aware that they're pregnant. The question is: at what point does it go from just a ball of cells passively existing, to a human being with active thoughts and feelings? And my answer would be: not until there's a significant amount of brain activity, which is fairly late into a pregnancy.
but the brain cannot live without the heart, artificial heart or real.

Therefore, it must be based on heartbeat.
 

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I linked to them because I wanted to provide the most accurate answer to @smf 's question, which was what percentage of women get an abortion out of convenience.
You use pejorative terms all the time.

Women get an abortion because they want an abortion.

You can pretend that some of those reasons are more valid than others, but it doesn't make it so.

Saying it's "out of convenience" just makes you irrelevant.

but the brain cannot live without the heart, artificial heart or real.

Therefore, it must be based on heartbeat.
The fetus can't live without the mother, so remove it and it's dead.

Doesn't your argument therefore support abortion?? You seem to be making emotional decisions and then trying to justify them with science rather than vice versa.
 

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The fetus can't live without the mother, so remove it and it's dead.

Doesn't your argument therefore support abortion?? You seem to be making emotional decisions and then trying to justify them with science rather than vice versa.
The argument is for abortion until a heartbeat is detected, then i'm against it.
 
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