Trumps miracle cure developed from baby tissue

[notimp]

Its a gift from god!

Ah, never felt so good sh*tposting in my life...

Trump's coronavirus treatment was based on fetal tissue research

US President Donald Trump has been treated with an anti-COVID-19 drug developed with cells derived from fetal tissue. He called it a God-given miracle cure, but what will his anti-abortion supporters think?

REGN-COV2 is not manufactured in human cells, but in Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells. The effectiveness of the antibodies it contains, however, was tested on cells derived from kidney tissue taken from an abortion carried out in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

https://www.dw.com/en/donald-trump-coronavirus-drug-fetal-tissue/a-55223016

edit: But wait, its not fetal tissue, it just was fetal tissue. Then we grew the fetal tissue cells for 50 years in a lab, and now it has magically become non fetal tissue:

Regeneron has not denied using 293T, yet argues that the cells should not be considered "human" tissue as they were grown in a lab. "It's how you want to parse it," says Regeneron spokeswoman Alexandra Bowie. "But the 293T cell lines available today are not considered fetal tissue, and we did not otherwise use fetal tissue."

Wow, thats so... logical.

edit: Fun fact:

The liver is the only visceral organ that possesses the capacity to regenerate. Theliver can regenerate after either surgical removal or after chemical injury. It is known that as little as 51% of the original liver mass can regenerate back to its full size.

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_regeneration

Wow, that babies liver has grown for 50 years in a lab.

edit: Hey, that babies liver has cousins!
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/293T

Calling the Guinness book of world records.

 

[mikefor20]

He probably eats babies all the time. Damned Cheeto Demon. Let the anti-abortionists justify saving their own lives off technology that was developed initially using human fetuses lol. If its a cluster of cells in a lab, it's just as alive as a zygote anyway. Hypocrites. They should be picketing to implant that tissue. lol. The fake tissue is still more evolved than T-Rump. And most of the religious sect for that matter..

They complain that in v\itro procedures make multipule discarded fetuses. Those are lab created. Hypocrites.

 

[Hanafuda]

FWIW, it's a little more complicated than that. From what I could gather reading USA Today's article on this, the company Regeneron did utilize cells that are derived from fetal liver cells from 1972 in its early research on the treatment method. Pretty much every major pharmaceutical company would have to say the same about the initial R&D on most of their cutting edge stuff. But the actual 'antibiotic cocktail' treatment they developed for Covid-19 uses cells from a human donor who survived the virus, and an immunized mouse. They didn't harvest stem-cell material from fetuses to produce the antibody treatment that was given to the President.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5901542002

Our rating: False
We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. The experimental antibody therapy Trump received was not directly made from fetal or embryonic stem cells, rather antibodies obtained from SARS-CoV-2 human survivors and immunized mice engineered with a human immune system. Regeneron's official statement released in April, cited on Twitter as a basis for the claim, is a general position on stem cell research and is unrelated to how the antibody therapy is actually made. However, an embryonic-derived cell line, albeit not a stem cell, does appear to have been involved at least in the early stages of Regeneron's testing process, according to supplementary material published in June. The HEK293T cells used are an immortalized cell line derived from embryonic kidney cells but are not stem cells themselves.

I'm not an advocate for banning abortion, btw. I think it's none of the government's business, especially pre-viability.

I also think the odds of Roe v. Wade ever being reversed are about on-par with the odds of Mozambique becoming the world's dominant superpower in this decade.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Y'all didn't care about the lives of babies until Trump took a COVID antidote. Awkward.

 

[Hanafuda]

Y'all didn't care about the lives of babies until Trump took a COVID antidote. Awkward.

That's just Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" in practice. #4, “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” It's dishonest, but effective against those who are ignorant of the tactic.

 

[BlueFox gui]

serious question, does anybody takes trump seriously?

 

[Chains]

What happened to the hydroxychloroquines? Remember when Trump was pushing the hydroxy non-stop?
Not a peep now, and its all about this miracle cure all Regeneron that no one can get, unless you're the president of course.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

What happened to the hydroxychloroquines? Remember when Trump was pushing the hydroxy non-stop?
Not a peep now, and its all about this miracle cure all Regeneron that no one can get, unless you're the president of course.

He's gonna give it to everyone for free.

 

[Deleted User]

I ain't gonna lie, this seems orchestrated. Trump was sick for like a week and then good the next.S Same with Boris Johnson.

Anyway, I'm glad that "saga" is over so people are less likely to wish death upon Trump (smh what sickos!).

 

[Chains]

He's gonna give it to everyone for free.

Why stop there, make healthcare free too.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Why stop there, make healthcare free too.

I disagree. I'd say that even making Regeneron free is too far. Inevitably, it will go out of stock within the first hour.

 

[Deleted User]

Why stop there, make healthcare free too.

Well, that would be "free," not free.

People in every country should have access to healthcare as that is essential.

 

[Hanafuda]

What happened to the hydroxychloroquines? Remember when Trump was pushing the hydroxy non-stop?
Not a peep now, and its all about this miracle cure all Regeneron that no one can get, unless you're the president of course.

Wasn't the whole idea with the hydroxychloroquine to prevent getting the virus by making a person's immune response more resistant to it, and to reduce the virus' impact on the body if you did get it? i.e. it wasn't for actually treating people who already had it. We know the President was taking hydroxychloroquine months ago, and I don't remember ever hearing him say he stopped. He sure blew through Covid19 without issue for a 74 year old man though. Maybe it worked as intended.

 

[notimp]

FWIW, it's a little more complicated than that. From what I could gather reading USA Today's article on this, the company Regeneron did utilize cells that are derived from fetal liver cells from 1972 in its early research on the treatment method. Pretty much every major pharmaceutical company would have to say the same about the initial R&D on most of their cutting edge stuff. But the actual 'antibiotic cocktail' treatment they developed for Covid-19 uses cells from a human donor who survived the virus, and an immunized mouse. They didn't harvest stem-cell material from fetuses to produce the antibody treatment that was given to the President.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5901542002




I'm not an advocate for banning abortion, btw. I think it's none of the government's business, especially pre-viability.

I also think the odds of Roe v. Wade ever being reversed are about on-par with the odds of Mozambique becoming the world's dominant superpower in this decade.

The source I linked, as well as the quotes I posted say so.

They re-created the spike Covid uses to infect other cells on a baby liver cell, then tested if their antibodies would dock onto it. Because it saved a bunch of time, and was less costly, and less dangerous than working with actual Covid in a laboratory scenario.

So baby liver was used in testing, not in the manufacturing of the antibodies.

Testing is also development.

Which makes your 'fake!' post entirely insincere.

 

[Hanafuda]

The source I linked, as well as the quotes I posted say so.

They re-created the spike Covid uses to infect other cells on a baby liver cell, then tested if their antibodies would dock onto it. Because it saved a bunch of time, and was less costly, and less dangerous that working with actual Covid in a laboratory scenario.

So baby liver was used in testing, not in the manufacturing of the antibodies.

Testing is also development.

Which makes your 'fake!' post entirely insincere.

Talk to the fact checkers at USAToday. They say you're wrong. Gizmodo says so too, though they reach a conclusion that the criticism of Trump is "fair" not because "baby liver" was used to produce the treatment he got (they disagree with that, just like USAToday), but because the Trump administration put some restrictions on this kind of research in 2019. Nevermind that the research Regeneron relies on took place over 40 years ago, and most importantly Gizmodo does not ask the question of whether the President was specifically informed of the detailed history of the medicine before he received it. We have probably all taken medicine at some point that has its developmental roots in some fetal tissue research, without being aware of it. As the Gizmodo article explains, even Pepsi and Kraft were once exposed to have been using those lab-grown cell lines (what you're calling baby liver) in their product research. That doesn't mean we're eating aborted babies if we have a Pepsi or a slice of cheese.

https://gizmodo.com/fact-check-heres-the-deal-with-trumps-antibody-cocktai-1845317087

 

[weatMod]

it don't matter because he never had the virus and he never took the regeneron snake oil

 

[UltraSUPRA]

it don't matter because he never had the virus and he never took the regeneron snake oil

You're still on that, huh?

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Y'all didn't care about the lives of babies until Trump took a COVID antidote. Awkward.

Ya'll care about the lives of babies up until birth. Then you don't give a shit about them. Awkward.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Ya'll care about the lives of babies up until birth. Then you don't give a shit about them. Awkward.

So you admit that unborn babies are still babies...

 

[Chains]

making Regeneron free is too far.

It wont be free child, your mommies tax $ will cover it. Regeneron CEO is a member at Trump's golf club, he owned their stock and they got $450 million months ago for R&D. What's he pitching next? Viagra? If you weren't single & unemployed then perhaps it would've went out of stock within the first hour.