Trump says stimulus negotiations over until after election

[Deleted User]

I'm an everyday person and I fucking care. A stimulus bill should be a stimulus bill. Money, that's it. Not giving felons early release from prison. Not eliminating bail for persons charged with crimes pending trial. Not forcing amnesty for illegal aliens. Not forcing ballot harvesting nationwide to steal the election. Not eliminating Voter ID in states that have passed it.

Your post acknowledges exactly what I've been saying -- the Democrats are using this crisis as a way to extort completely unrelated changes in the law. They won't agree to just helping people, they have to get something or else people go hungry. And they blame the other guys for what they're making happen. It's turd maggot level stuff. I guess if they get control of Congress and the White House, we at least know what kind of governing to expect out of them.

It's really sad they shouldn't have any support left but people can't get past their own irrational hate towards Trump. They just ignore that Democrats are holding up the stimulus for crap like prisoners. There are a lot of decent hardworking Democrats who are struggling they should be like "WTF this is not about prisoners this is about us" but somehow it gets swept under the rug and they just focus all of their hate towards Trump, or like you've already seen in this thread people don't even realize the bill has to pass in senate first and just think "Trump is holding up the bill" which is ignorant. Trump is not a king like people who know nothing about politics (yet hate him the most) seem to think.

 

[omgcat]

I'm an everyday person and I fucking care. A stimulus bill should be a stimulus bill. Money, that's it. Not giving felons early release from prison. Not eliminating bail for persons charged with crimes pending trial. Not forcing amnesty for illegal aliens. Not forcing ballot harvesting nationwide to steal the election. Not eliminating Voter ID in states that have passed it.

Your post acknowledges exactly what I've been saying -- the Democrats are using this crisis as a way to extort completely unrelated changes in the law. They won't agree to just helping people, they have to get something or else people go hungry. And they blame the other guys for what they're making happen. It's turd maggot level stuff. I guess if they get control of Congress and the White House, we at least know what kind of governing to expect out of them.

no, you're not. you spend time talking politics on a fucking forum about video games. you are not the average voter.

 

[crimpshrine]

It's really sad they shouldn't have any support left but people can't get past their own irrational hate towards Trump. They just ignore that Democrats are holding up the stimulus for crap like prisoners. There are a lot of decent hardworking Democrats who are struggling they should be like "WTF this is not about prisoners this is about us" but somehow it gets swept under the rug and they just focus all of their hate towards Trump, or like you've already seen in this thread people don't even realize the bill has to pass in senate first and just think "Trump is holding up the bill" which is ignorant.

There are FW. Nancy has been taking a lot of heat the last month. There have been some pretty heated arguments with dems on the floor and Nancy. People that these dems support are pissed.

Certain liberals will say everyone is mad at Trump, but I think most realize the 2nd stimulus plan that is going to get passed involves the democrats including ONLY Covid-19 relieve, not throwing in all this other crap that is unrelated.

Nancy and Chuck are the main forces causing this. They could have passed something for the people/schools/small business over 1.5 months ago, it is on them.

 

[Hanafuda]

no, you're not. you spend time talking politics on a fucking forum about video games. you are not the average voter.

Good point. I'll concede that.

 

[Chains]

Yeah I think Canada has been getting 2k a month since it started, or at least that's what I heard.

I remember in august I read that Canada released 5 stimulus checks to the people, and yeah each of them was 2k.
Meanwhile we only got one $1200 check, even though the hardest hit places have an average rent cost well above that per month.

 

[Hanafuda]

Yeah I think Canada has been getting 2k a month since it started, or at least that's what I heard.

I remember in august I read that Canada released 5 stimulus checks to the people, and yeah each of them was 2k.
Meanwhile we only got one $1200 check, even though the hardest hit places have an average rent cost well above that per month.

Were unemployed Canadians also getting an extra $600 a week (over their regular unemployment benefits)? I honestly don't know, maybe they have been doing something like that in Canada. But either way it's not really 'the whole picture' to say people in the US only got one $1200 check. If you weren't working, you were also getting regular unemployment benefits plus another $2400 a month.

 

[Deleted User]

Were unemployed Canadians also getting an extra $600 a week (over their regular unemployment benefits)? I honestly don't know, maybe they have been doing something like that in Canada. But either way it's not really 'the whole picture' to say people in the US only got one $1200 check. If you weren't working, you were also getting regular unemployment benefits plus another $2400 a month.

I've never had unemployment so maybe I'm wrong but my understanding is I don't think you can just not work and get unemployment. You have to have lost your job, and then you have to search for jobs and you have to be willing to accept a job with lower pay after so many weeks on it, and you have to prove you're trying to find employment. If you quit a job you can't even get it, you have to be laid off/fired or some other circumstance to prove you had to quit due to working conditions. So yes those people that were laid off/fired during this time were well compensated, but it doesn't include everybody not working. And for everyone else including people working who didn't make 100k they only got 1 $1200 check that's it which is the majority of america as the average is only like 45k, anyone over 100k got nothing which I don't have a problem with but hard working struggling people got just 1 check.

I think I've heard even if you're fired due to gross neglect you can't get it.

 

[gregory-samba]

I'm lucky and didn't have to collect unemployment, but I'll gladly take another $1,200 check. Just don't give it out to people who aren't citizens and all that freeing prisoners and unrelated crap needs to go too.

 

[DJPlace]

after i heard about this i'm not going vote this time sadly.

 

[Chains]

Were unemployed Canadians also getting an extra $600 a week (over their regular unemployment benefits)?

You need to be eligible 1st, if you want the "regular unemployment benefits" here in the US. In Canada they received $500 per week regardless of eligibility according to the canada.ca site.

But either way it's not really 'the whole picture' to say people in the US only got one $1200 check. If you weren't working, you were also getting regular unemployment benefits plus another $2400 a month.

I agree, it is not the "whole picture". You're either dishonest on purpose or you know very little about this. Doesn't matter either way, according to the IRS site:

Eligible taxpayers who filed tax returns for either 2019 or 2018 will automatically receive an economic impact payment of up to $1,200 for individuals or $2,400 for married couples and up to $500 for each qualifying child.

So yeah, shill better next time.

 

[wartutor]

Where are all you unemployed people living at where im sitting every business is hiring. Cant get enough people to work due to the government giving them the same or more money to stay home. There never should of been a stimulus bill and definitely shouldnt be a 2nd one. Its time to get this country open again and quit living in fear. Maybe then people wont have the time or money to riot in the streets.

 

[gregory-samba]

Where are all you unemployed people living at where im sitting every business is hiring. Cant get enough people to work due to the government giving them the same or more money to stay home. There never should of been a stimulus bill and definitely shouldnt be a 2nd one. Its time to get this country open again and quit living in fear. Maybe then people wont have the time or money to riot in the streets.

I find there's lot of open jobs, but then the workforce is too fearful to return to work. I live in a densely populated area and the population of people out and about is much less than it was this time last year. I think there's too many people hiding in their homes. I didn't agree with the shut down orders, but I followed them and if the Government is going to force you to lose your job then I think they should reimburse you until you can find a new one. Shutting down was just a big mistake as we didn't cut the curve. The virus is still here and not going anywhere, it's just it ends up it's not that deadly of a virus.

 

[rsx]

I knew this headline was coming.

 

[Hanafuda]

I agree, it is not the "whole picture". You're either dishonest on purpose or you know very little about this. Doesn't matter either way, according to the IRS site:

Eligible taxpayers who filed tax returns for either 2019 or 2018 will automatically receive an economic impact payment of up to $1,200 for individuals or $2,400 for married couples and up to $500 for each qualifying child.

So yeah, shill better next time.

How was I dishonest? I acknowledged there's only been one payout of $1200 per (and yeah, $500 per child). I mean, that's not debatable. And I was just pointing out, that's not the only 'over normal' relief that's been getting paid out in the US. I didn't say it's the same as Canada, I even said Canada might also be paying enhanced unemployment benefits too. I don't know about Canada. But besides that $1200 thing, the US paid significantly enhanced unemployment benefits for months. I know people with college degrees working fulltime whose salary doesn't come close to what many people on unemployment were getting through spring and summer. And that's fine, but when you discuss what assistance the government has provided you can't ignore that. $2400 a month on top of normal unemployment benefits is a load of cash.

 

[Chains]

$2400 a month on top of normal unemployment benefits is a load of cash.

Did you not read my post? Or did you not understand it? Lets try again, shall we?
It is 2,400 for married couples, because each of them gets 1,200. Because there's two of them so its 2,400(1,200+1,200=2,400).
They do not get 1,200 each and then extra 2400, that's your own personal fantasy. Are you following me so far?
The only "extra" could be the benefits and its only if they are eligible to receive them.

 

[J-Machine]

You need to be eligible 1st, if you want the "regular unemployment benefits" here in the US. In Canada they received $500 per week regardless of eligibility according to the canada.ca site.
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for CERB it was not regardless of eligibility. you need to be a person who had to stop working during the pandemic due to medical reasons, temporary of permanent layoff, having to take care of a vulnerable person, or be self employed or a part of a public profession like the arts that has made you make less than 5k due to relevant events.
you also had to opt in at first.

 

[PiracyForTheMasses]

Where are all you unemployed people living at where im sitting every business is hiring. Cant get enough people to work due to the government giving them the same or more money to stay home. There never should of been a stimulus bill and definitely shouldnt be a 2nd one. Its time to get this country open again and quit living in fear. Maybe then people wont have the time or money to riot in the streets.

Could not agree more. There should have NEVER been a covid stimulus. It is NOT the governments job to hold your hand. The reason there are so many weak pathetic people in USA is because they became dependent on the government, they lack self reliance.

 

[Hanafuda]

Did you not read my post? Or did you not understand it? Lets try again, shall we?
It is 2,400 for married couples, because each of them gets 1,200. Because there's two of them so its 2,400(1,200+1,200=2,400).
They do not get 1,200 each and then extra 2400, that's your own personal fantasy. Are you following me so far?
The only "extra" could be the benefits and its only if they are eligible to receive them.

Ok yeah I think we just have a communication issue here. The stimulus payment and the enhanced unemployment benefits are separate things.

 

[FocusedWiiWarrior]

I pay sales tax, I deserve that money and more.

 

[Chains]

Ok yeah I think we just have a communication issue here. The stimulus payment and the enhanced unemployment benefits are separate things.

No doubt.

I pay sales tax, I deserve that money and more.

When the government forces you to stop working it becomes their problem. So yeah, all effected by this deserve their money.