Trump says stimulus negotiations over until after election

[crimpshrine]

Apparently it forces the release of anyone who is within 12 months of being eligible for release (eligible for parole) if they are classified as a 'non-violent' offender, pretrial detainees (no bail), and makes home detention more easily available to 'elderly' inmates, i.e. finish out your sentence on home confinement.

Has nothing to do with smalltime drug cases specifically, marijuana or otherwise. I'm glad it says "non-violent offenders" but that still allows for the release of a wide range of very evil motherfuckers anyway, who would just walk. Not to mention mandated no bail for pretrial detainees.

It's on pgs 83-84. This is a bill summary though, not the actual proposed legislation.

https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/democrats.appropriations.house.gov/files/Updated Heroes Act Summary.pdf

There's no way the Democrats seriously expected the Senate or the President to come to terms with this shit. They threw back a rotten cherry pie with shit stirred in and now complain the President won't eat cherry pie.

I did not see that one, yeah it would seem Nancy and Chuck had no interest in "negotiating" If it was really about relief for the people they could have finalized the 600 billion version that was focused on the people/schools/small business for Covid-19 over 1.5 months ago. They had no intention of successful 2nd stimulus.

 

[Taleweaver]

Hmmm... I hate to be the toxic guy, but the president is currently ill and on drugs with serious side effects. Should he really be making these sorts of decisions?
(and yes, I'd say the same if it was any leader... It's for his own well being)

Hold on. I'm reading that Pelosi's proposal includes a mandate for nationwide cashless bail, mass prison releases, nationwide limitless ballot harvesting, a nationwide ban on voter ID, stimulus checks for illegal aliens, protection from being deported for illegal aliens ... this is not bargaining in good faith. Just intentional poison pills.

It's supposed to be an economic stimulus package, not a DNC/BLM/ANTIFA wishlist come true.

That'd be a whole different story, yes. But can you link to that?
About the only concrete stuff I can Google up is that they want over a trillion more dollars in the stimulus package (which is understandably A LOT), and a criticism about her 'moving the goal post'. But I honestly can't find what she and Mnuchin are /were arguing over aside the actual money contents.

 

[scroeffie1984]

#SAVETHEKIDS

 

[The Catboy]

Hmmm... I hate to be the toxic guy, but the president is currently ill and on drugs with serious side effects. Should he really be making these sorts of decisions?
(and yes, I'd say the same if it was any leader... It's for his own well being)



That'd be a whole different story, yes. But can you link to that?
About the only concrete stuff I can Google up is that they want over a trillion more dollars in the stimulus package (which is understandably A LOT), and a criticism about her 'moving the goal post'. But I honestly can't find what she and Mnuchin are /were arguing over aside the actual money contents.

Let's be real here, Trump has been using the election to hold a lot of things hostage from the American people. He didn't get the war he wanted, so he's banking on "vote for me and I might stop gambling on your life," mentality to get votes.

 

[Hanafuda]

That'd be a whole different story, yes. But can you link to that?
About the only concrete stuff I can Google up is that they want over a trillion more dollars in the stimulus package (which is understandably A LOT), and a criticism about her 'moving the goal post'. But I honestly can't find what she and Mnuchin are /were arguing over aside the actual money contents.

I did post a bill summary a little further down. Yes there's also over a trillion more in the Dem bill, for local government economies (slush money injection to democrat-run city governments), but I didn't even get into that. Even if I would disagree, there's of course an argument that city governments need the money due to the covid19 crisis. It's another poison pill, or maybe just a bitter one. But the prison releases, elimination of pretrial bail for federal defendants, unlimited ballot harvesting, banning voter ID, and deportation protection for illegal aliens ... none of that belongs in an economic stimulus bill if the intention was to get relief out to the people as fast as possible. The Democrats know the Republicans can never agree to this unrelated wishlist they've put in their bill, they know most people aren't informed or smart enough to understand how they're the ones tanking the negotiations, and they're relying on the media to frame the story as Trump holding your checks hostage. They're not bargaining in good faith and they want that damage on Trump before the election a lot more than they care about helping people. I know you and I are ideologically opposed on many issues but I think you're a reasonable person and capable of looking at a situation like this objectively. This is a simple case of dirty politics at the public's expense.

 

[Chains]

Possibly he realized people need to stop hiding and get of their houses and return to work?

By offering a golden carrot on a stick(more money if he wins), while more & more lay offs are happening across the country?! Nonsense. Perhaps he's having covid delusions.

 

[crimpshrine]

I really don't get how some of you are so oblivious to why the dems can't get this passed. And think this is Trumps fault or the republicans in senates fault. The DEMS started out in the beginning wanting over 4 TRILLION dollars. For the 2nd covid stimulus package. They are putting things into this 2nd stimulus package that are NOT related to Covid relief. The lowest they have gone down to is 2.5 Trillion and STILL includes items that are not related to Covid stimulus.

Can any of you that are Anti trump argue why a republican or even Trump wanting this is bad for America because they want this 2nd covid stimulus package to be about that and not other items?

The package that the republicans said they would approve for the last 1.5 months included money for who needs it now. It was for the people/shools/small business.

The dems don't want it passed.

As Trump has has said in his tweet. He is ready to sign off on a standalone bill to send people another check. I guarantee Nancy and Chuck are taking flack from other dems even more now. This is not a good place to be in for Nancy and Chuck. Many dems have been braking rank in the last month because they know this is a BS game Nancy and Chuck are playing with American people.

 

[Cylent1]

I always love when the fools believe what the MSM say....
If you would take 1 minute of your time and do some homework you would see the msm is lying.

 

[gregory-samba]

I always love when the fools believe what the MSM say....
If you would take 1 minute of your time and do some homework you would see the msm is lying.

I saw those tweets and really hope we all get another round of $1,200 checks. While it wasn't enough to pay all the bills for this long it was a great help especially to the people who've lost their normal source of income. It seems Trump is willing to give out aid, as long as it's not that bullshit bill the Democrats want with all sorts of money going to things unrelated to COVID. As for the leftist media, of course they are lying. I've come to take anything the Left publishes as default as incorrect as they don't get the benefit of the doubt any longer.

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I really don't get how some of you are so oblivious to why the dems can't get this passed. And think this is Trumps fault or the republicans in senates fault. The DEMS started out in the beginning wanting over 4 TRILLION dollars. For the 2nd covid stimulus package. They are putting things into this 2nd stimulus package that are NOT related to Covid relief. The lowest they have gone down to is 2.5 Trillion and STILL includes items that are not related to Covid stimulus.

Can any of you that are Anti trump argue why a republican or even Trump wanting this is bad for America because they want this 2nd covid stimulus package to be about that and not other items?

The package that the republicans said they would approve for the last 1.5 months included money for who needs it now. It was for the people/shools/small business.

The dems don't want it passed.

As Trump has has said in his tweet. He is ready to sign off on a standalone bill to send people another check. I guarantee Nancy and Chuck are taking flack from other dems even more now. This is not a good place to be in for Nancy and Chuck. Many dems have been braking rank in the last month because they know this is a BS game Nancy and Chuck are playing with American people.

I don't want our President signing anything that gives these $1,200 checks to people not in the country legally. The other stuff thrown in is bad enough.

 

[Chains]

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That old witch Pelosi needs to take this deal. This is a good opportunity for both dems & republicans to look good to their voters + help the american people.

 

[crimpshrine]

I saw those tweets and really hope we all get another round of $1,200 checks. While it wasn't enough to pay all the bills for this long it was a great help especially to the people who've lost their normal source of income. It seems Trump is willing to give out aid, as long as it's not that bullshit bill the Democrats want with all sorts of money going to things unrelated to COVID. As for the leftist media, of course they are lying. I've come to take anything the Left publishes as default as incorrect as they don't get the benefit of the doubt any longer.

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I don't want our President signing anything that gives these $1,200 checks to people not in the country legally. The other stuff thrown in is bad enough.

Yes I 100% agree, the Covid-19 Stimulus should be focused on Covid-19 related hardship for US citizens and/or schools, small business. I am even OK with some US airline stuff because that is infrastructure to some degree.

Trying to include all this other unrelated stuff and prevent it from passing by the dems should be taken as a direct insult to the American people.

 

[Chains]

I always love when the fools believe what the MSM say....
If you would take 1 minute of your time and do some homework you would see the msm is lying.

MSM? He himself changed his stance yesterday on the stimulus, and then changed it again today. All you did was repeat his latest tweet you insufferable fool.

 

[gregory-samba]

MSM? He himself changed his stance yesterday on the stimulus, and then changed it again today. All you did was repeat his latest tweet you insufferable fool.

It turns out his stance from yesterday was regarding the Democrats proposed 2 trillion pork filled bill and not aid in general. The mixed messages and position change doesn't help the situation though. If he flip flops again I'll have to start calling him WHO Junior.

 

[spotanjo3]

He is blackmail American voters so he could win?! LOL!

 

[Chains]

It turns out his stance from yesterday was regarding the Democrats proposed 2 trillion pork filled bill and not aid in general. The mixed messages and position change doesn't help the situation though. If he flip flops again I'll have to start calling him WHO Junior.

I know it, this whole thing is a joke now. Remember the hurricanes & earthquakes in other countries?
We jumped to the rescue. When our own country is in need? Crickets.

 

[chrisrlink]

(I feel sorry for the right wing middle class they're just tools for GOP (re)election they don't care for you you should check the latest tax code as i can guarantee you you're taxes increased while the wealthy 1% pays much less than you they are only out for themselves on another note yeah i agree holding the stimulus hostage to get more votes from you sheeple is just morally wrong when thousands lost their jobs if biden does win pretty sure better stimulus packages will be passed (1,200 is nothing and it's a twice done deal no more the left will take care of you because they are for the middle class i imagine 2,000 a MONTH until covid is under control as for the national debt is to reverse the tax hike on middle class like you and tax those wealthy 1%ers (which i doubt any of you are in that catagory

 

[Chains]

At this point 1200 is bread crumbs to those of us facing evictions, medical bills. We should be getting almost 5000 in stimulus checks, there were how many billions in leftover money from the 1st stimulus? Their holding onto something that’s not even theirs to begin with.

 

[omgcat]

I did post a bill summary a little further down. Yes there's also over a trillion more in the Dem bill, for local government economies (slush money injection to democrat-run city governments), but I didn't even get into that. Even if I would disagree, there's of course an argument that city governments need the money due to the covid19 crisis. It's another poison pill, or maybe just a bitter one. But the prison releases, elimination of pretrial bail for federal defendants, unlimited ballot harvesting, banning voter ID, and deportation protection for illegal aliens ... none of that belongs in an economic stimulus bill if the intention was to get relief out to the people as fast as possible. The Democrats know the Republicans can never agree to this unrelated wishlist they've put in their bill, they know most people aren't informed or smart enough to understand how they're the ones tanking the negotiations, and they're relying on the media to frame the story as Trump holding your checks hostage. They're not bargaining in good faith and they want that damage on Trump before the election a lot more than they care about helping people. I know you and I are ideologically opposed on many issues but I think you're a reasonable person and capable of looking at a situation like this objectively. This is a simple case of dirty politics at the public's expense.

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The GOP assumed people would blame democrats for withhold aid, when in reality the HEROES act has been sitting in the senate for months. by not coming to agreement, the senate has killed the stimulus bill, which pins the blame on the party that didn't act. Every day normal people don't care what riders are in that bill, they just want their aid. trump shot himself in the dick by going on a drug fueled manic episode. You might care whats in the heroes act, but the people facing eviction and crushing debt don't. the average voter is not informed, and as such they take things at face value. in this instance the GOP is withholding aid after flooding the stock market and corporations with cash. the GOP is now struggling in senate races that should have been a sure thing, and even James Comey style fuckery probably won't save trump.

 

[Deleted User]

Yeah I think Canada has been getting 2k a month since it started, or at least that's what I heard.

 

[Hanafuda]

The GOP assumed people would blame democrats for withhold aid, when in reality the HEROES act has been sitting in the senate for months. by not coming to agreement, the senate has killed the stimulus bill, which pins the blame on the party that didn't act. Every day normal people don't care what riders are in that bill, they just want their aid. trump shot himself in the dick by going on a drug fueled manic episode. You might care whats in the heroes act, but the people facing eviction and crushing debt don't. the average voter is not informed, and as such they take things at face value. in this instance the GOP is withholding aid after flooding the stock market and corporations with cash. the GOP is now struggling in senate races that should have been a sure thing, and even James Comey style fuckery probably won't save trump.

I'm an everyday person and I fucking care. A stimulus bill should be a stimulus bill. Money, that's it. Not giving felons early release from prison. Not eliminating bail for persons charged with crimes pending trial. Not forcing amnesty for illegal aliens. Not forcing ballot harvesting nationwide to steal the election. Not eliminating Voter ID in states that have passed it.

Your post acknowledges exactly what I've been saying -- the Democrats are using this crisis as a way to extort completely unrelated changes in the law. They won't agree to just helping people, they have to get something or else people go hungry. And they blame the other guys for what they're making happen. It's turd maggot level stuff. I guess if they get control of Congress and the White House, we at least know what kind of governing to expect out of them.