Trump Impeachment: Public Hearings Have Begun

[chrisrlink]

`i think Pelosi should slap every person in the senate's faces and say WAKE THE HELL UP our president just committed a war crime let alone he bypassed congress about the assassination (a common therme for GOP presidents now it seems) not to mention an iraqi died as collateral damage (which is why iraq is pissed off)

 

[sl0ps]

Imagining that only one side has dabbled their hands in targeted hits is not only uninformed, but patently false.

You can argue against this, but it only serves to mar your credibility.

 

[Condarkness_XY]

We have a warmongering buffoon who can't speak or read and has now committed a war crime. If we get into another war, its because republicans are god damn corrupt scum who doomed this country.

 

[chrisrlink]

i fear this coming up war will doom more than the US.....all humankind may go extinct by years end if we get dragged in a thermonuclear war

 

[Hanafuda]

i fear this coming up war will doom more than the US.....all humankind may go extinct by years end if we get dragged in a thermonuclear war

I'll bet you a million dollars that you're wrong. Loser pays on Jan 1, 2021.

 

[IncredulousP]

i fear this coming up war will doom more than the US.....all humankind may go extinct by years end if we get dragged in a thermonuclear war

If the people voted for this to happen, then the people reap what they sow.

Spoiler: Trump won 2016 presidency

Guess I'll die.

 

[chrisrlink]

odd how they haven't killed the impeachment yet seem to be hearing both sides (think they're doing it to save their asses er seats for the 2020 election still having no intent to remove him just pretending)

 

[Hanafuda]

odd how they haven't killed the impeachment yet seem to be hearing both sides (think they're doing it to save their asses er seats for the 2020 election still having no intent to remove him just pretending)

Every Senator WILL get their TV face time. And Susan Collins wants twice as much.

 

[notimp]

What a character defect. Someone should tell the president.

 

[notimp]

i fear this coming up war will doom more than the US.....all humankind may go extinct by years end if we get dragged in a thermonuclear war

Oh wow. You noticed!

So did Donald Brennan in 1962.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

You are only 58 years late. 57, maybe.. But any day now...*tapping on my imagined watch* ... any day now...

(Key words: Nash equilibrium, game theory, nuclear winter .. )

 

[spotanjo3]

I hope he found guilt and removed from the office. Not only him but every corrupted as well. I don't vote nobody and no one. They are all corrupted.. Always was and always will be. The politics are disgusting human being ever and always failed forever!

 

[Taleweaver]

I've only glimpsed at US politics, but it seems like the pig circus is in full swing now.

-Mitch McConnel claimed it was only fair that Trump got a process on the same rules as Clinton, which certainly sounds fair if you neglect the fact that these are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CASES
-...and he then proceeded to break similarities with that case with other rules
-democrats and republicans are more divided than ever. Or more united in their group, if that's your fancy: every amendment brought up got shot down because republicans don't want it (and they hold a - very tight - majority). Including witnesses.

Okay, the source is from a local newspaper, but could it be that up to 69% of Americans actually want witnesses to be heard in this process? It certainly makes sense, because...well...it's a public trial, right? It's not like you or me can decide not to have witnesses involved whenever we get busted on committing crimes. But Mitch isn't even pretending to be unbiased in this matter, so it's not like this is a coincidence in any way...

 

[seany1990]

This trial is exactly what I would expect to see from a country claiming to be the leader of the free world

 

[Taleweaver]

More (IMO) interesting tidbits:

- Lev Parnas leaked a video online from a meeting with Trump. It clearly has him saying to get rid of Marie Yovanovitch (after hearing that she was badmouthing him(1) ). His advocate says there are more recordings, among which about the withholding of government funds
- Fox news doesn't cover the impeachment process because they deem it boring
-John Bolton may not testify, but parts of his book have leaked online. Meaning: yes, Trump explicitly withheld the money until they announced the investigation into the Bidens.



(1): in truth, this wasn't true. What was true, however, was that Lutsenko wanted Yvanovitch out as a favor of him providing dirt on the Bidens

 

[chrisrlink]

WORST OFF HE'S REGAINING GROUND so yeah we're f*cked

 

[Joe88]

- Fox news doesn't cover the impeachment process because they deem it boring

Neither did any of the non-cable public channels https://apnews.com/49beb52117d6f248be88c23d780348fc
i'm sure fox saw their viewership dropping after it became apparent they were just repeating the same exact things known for months now just out of different mouths
Edit, they did the same thing for trumps defense, they stopped airing it at 7PM est (when they started back up after their dinner break) and went with their regular programming

 

[Deleted User]

Politics are already a circus as it is, but this has only made it even more of a reality television show. I honestly don't have the patience to watch or bother reading it.

I mean, I see glimpses on YT and that's enough for me and what politicians decide ultimately affect our daily lives, but I just can't care less now.

 

[notimp]

The circus part is 'garnering public support', there also should be a non circus part.. If you are mostly interested in the circus part, you are maybe more interested in PR (from a consumer perspective) than in politics..

The principle goes something like this. The one with most votes (electoral delegates in the US ) gets deciding power. To get votes, pretty much anything goes.

But then, this is not so much politics, as it is the prerequisites for politics.

Everyone still very much interested in campaign pledges and the song and dance, but nothing else? And that face said, that to the other face...


I've recently watched and linked that Noam Chomsky (not a) documentary. He talkes about people like you as the 80% that dont matter politically. That politics for the most part was garnering the consent of the 20% that are actually somewhat informed (beyond the circus part) - now granted, that changed with populist movements becoming more important - but in principal, ...

 

[chrisrlink]

Politics are already a circus as it is, but this has only made it even more of a reality television show. I honestly don't have the patience to watch or bother reading it.

I mean, I see glimpses on YT and that's enough for me and what politicians decide ultimately affect our daily lives, but I just can't care less now.

besides we all know the elections are rigged to the point where middle class/poverty has no power at all

 

[notimp]

Best defense speeches for Trump not to be impeached, that I've seen.

(It helps, that the contrarian at the table also is against it.. )

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Institution

The Hover institution is largely financed by corporate donors like JP Morgan, General Motors, Exxon or Procter & Gamble.

edit: Uh, and german publisher Josef Joffe is a visiting fellow as well. (Amongst a few other famous names.)