1. SG854

    SG854 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill It
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    Don't take it literal just like Humpty Dumpty story or The Three Little Pigs. They all have good morals and there is no giant egg shaped creature. They are not literal.

    Do you have any facts that show institutions without religion is negative?

    Also which God? There are many God's. Which one is the correct God? Which religion or sect is the correct one to follow? Is it Islam, Jehovah Witness? Catholic?
     
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    Wrong place for my very own thinking, surely will harm someone's mind and their very own self security feelings.
     
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    Some people do not deserve a humane death. If you caused pain and suffering by breaking the law, you should have to endure the same. Maybe people would stop doing it for fear of the punishment.
     
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    Godless people do Godless things. If you can't seem to identify the Godlessness in people that run societies institutions then I suggest you read up about what's right and what's wrong (sinning). Once you get a good grasp of what is right or wrong it will be simple to identify all the sinners in the Government. Hint - They outweigh the non-sinners, just like Satan wants.
     
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    Why would Satan want that?

    Ps: The answer for any good believer is - you should not guess his motives. Or in the opposite: Gods ways are mysterious. Or maybe you can deduct Satans motives, because he's only a fallen angle that always wants to be "Caliph in the place of the Caliph" (Although he rules over an entirely different realm.)? I'm not so sure on this one. Could you actually give me the answer, and by that I mean - speak with your handler if you are allowed to think about that (according to the current rules), or not?
     
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  6. SG854

    SG854 If It Bleeds, We Can Kill It
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    You can't just make claims like that without evidence to back it.
     
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    I identify as Atheist yet I follow the 10 Commandments. What does that make me? I also believe in miracles.
     
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    Guess I'm going to hell, but I don't believe in such things. Except Hell in the Cayman Islands that you can visit in real life.
     
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    When the time comes your prior acknowledgement of the truth won't be enough reason to keep you out of hell. At least if you're not sinning you won't run into lots of problems that sinning causes in this life, but our life on this Earth is nothing compared to eternity in the heavens. Maybe one day you'll accept God into you heart or not. That choice is up to you and I really don't care if you make it or not.
     
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    People like you are the reason I became Atheist. I got tired of people forcing their various beliefs on me.
     
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    If your supposed God is against Gays then why are there gay animals is the wild? Also your God wouldn't accept me then.
     
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    If you need a god to tell you what's right or wrong because you have no moral compass of your own, I'll laugh at you for saying that retarded shit.
     
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    Good. One step closer to being a constitutionalist. :)

    Here is the tradeoff as per constitution. You can believe in whatever to believe in. Your believes are yours. Your church probably gets to tax people (in some form), and or have tax exempt status. At the same time it doesnt intervene in any decisions of structural power whatsoever. Because we know it only has one answer, that answer is dogmatic. That answer is given by people who 'interpret the word of god'. And they are never wrong.

    If you dont 'draw' those fangs, as in make it nice and fluffy - it conflicts with everything you know as society these days.

    Also - speaking of people who interpret Gods word:

    src: https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-we-still-need-to-believe-in-hell-1536850605

    So either, the devil doesnt exist. Or the interpreter of God is wrong?

    Also - History of art.
    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-11-nightmarish-depictions-hell-art-history

    So those people, mostly 'live' those visions. So they are possessed? Then why are most of them employed by the former nobility at the time and are painting in churches?

    Or in other words, why does the church use their visions to promote christianity?
     
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    I had my parents to teach me such things.
     
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    wonder if the accused sentenced to die before jan 20th have dirt on politicians (including trump) as they want them dead for other reason's then actual justice if they die i would really hope the lawyers will obtain a search to look through diaries etc
     
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    I've done enough research on the topic. Politics has nothing to do with religion there's no point in bringing up the left making this a political topic. Your experience is anecdotal. You are committing a logical fallacy not citing your sources. You can't make claims and just go trust me bro it's real. Imagine a researcher not citing sources and just say go look it up. The burden of proof is on you. If you don't cite, then that makes your argument weak.

    Stop being so damn weak and site your source. Stop bitching out just because people put your source under scrutiny. If it's a good source it should hold up, if not then it will crumble. This is how debates go, stop bitching out.

    I use to be very religious person but not any more. And my heart isn't filled with evil. People irl say i'm a nice person and helpful. I don't cause any trouble. If we are going by anecdotal experience then that completely destroys your anecdotal argument that peoples hearts are filled with evil without religion. I also know many non religious people who aren't evil. And why shouldn't my experience in life not count as much as your experience?
     
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    I’m too European to take a part in this discussion
     
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    Theres even an encyclical on Dante, issued on the 700 anniversary of his death, I just found out. ;) The catholic church surely is thankful to the person who invented the concept of the undying soul. Why he still remains a 'mere poet' in their eyes is a little strange though.. ;) (Can a man possessed by visions of hell and the devil not be a saint? Can you issue an enzyclica about a man so clearly possessed by the devil? In honor of his 700th anniversary?)
    https://forums.catholic.com/t/can-a-baby-named-dante-be-baptized/290929/12

    I mean he helped them sell so many indulgencies... :) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence )
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    How do those two things go together?

    The eternal is an allegory of mans life? Both heaven and hell exist as states of bliss and suffering, as long as 'God's justice and love exist'? Life only has meaning in context of eternal damnation, or eternal bliss - after death? Dante could experience Hell "a mystery seen by none", before dying? Just like S. Johns Apocalypse (who was an apostle, and who is a saint), Dantes image of Hell is 'conveyed in symbols fashioned to adumbrate the "truths perceived by faith"'?

    For an apostle or saint, Dante had quite an understanding about use of popular language and need to construct 'national epic' it seems. ;)

    src: http://doctrinepublishing.com/showbook.php?file=52894-0000.txt

    edit: Also, if you ever need an example of religious arguing - ending up in "I want to be suffering under a cruel but loving master, until this becomes entirely bliss" and "people having "felt the religious truth through their heart"" - stray no further and read those paragraphs. :)

    People living by this doctrine are told that doubting those religious truths is a sign of weakness, and a sin ('Yes, domina!'), and if they ever have doubts, they should consult their 'spiritual guidance officer' who then fills them with grammatical paradoxes ("the love felt only through the heart leads to understanding religious truth" - "Yes, master, now I see!") and everything is fine again.

    Its really a foolproof concept. ;)

    Also isnt 'imagining what god is like' or god forbid 'depicting the being' a sin? Because it leads to questions - what he is like? But imagining hell, purgatory, and paradise - in the utmost detail, "regarded as fact; for the action deals with this, and is about this." (in Dantes Commedia) is not? That gets you your own catholic encyclical 700 years after your death? Not as an apostle, but as a 'poet'? Huh... better get into that business.
     
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