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    What a legacy. What a champ!

    Aside from ending peoples lives through injecting them with a lethal cocktail, firing squads, the electric chair and gasing people should be approved in the next few days, after a rush of the Trump justice department to get those extensions on track. There are several executions scheduled until Biden gets into office and can correct that.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/federal-execution-new-rule-firing-squads/index.html

    What a legacy! What a country!

    Also sorry, gasing might be misspelled, I dont know how to spell it ánd its in no online dictionary I've found. We'll that would have to change quickly of course, if the US is now gasing all of its death row inmates...

    Someone call the dictionary people.
     
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    There is a simple way to avoid death in Prison. Don't break the law.
     
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    I get a sinking feeling it isn't for people who break the law, but that's just my tinfoil hat heating up.
     
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    The Prisoners on death row, the ones who have had a trial and were sentenced to death all broke the law. If they wouldn't have committed their horrendous crimes they wouldn't be sitting in a cell waiting for the day they are executed.
     
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    How about the US having increased the prison population by 7x since 2000?



    This thread - despite its sheer horror peddling, really was just a litmus test of how far you can drive it for people, not to question their own moral believes.

    So the guy you believe in talks about people at his rallies having better genes followed by "and I think you all know what I mean by that", and started gasing people in prison again.

    So where is the line? And why do you think he does that stuff? Just as something to think about, until the next one of those types comes along.. ;)

    Really, really sucks for those people killed up until January. But then its reversible as a policy. Whats not reversible (apart from people having died that way in the US in 2020), is the damage this does to everyone in the world looking at the US - and seeing in it the shining city on a hill as far as democracy is concerned. That is over. Once and for all.

    (see: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqE0dEkRYFI )


    edit: Also - here are some of the other last minute changes his administration tries to get through:
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...ment-other-last-minute-policies-before-jan-20
     
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    What about the 152 people executed since 1976 that were found to be innocent after they were executed?

    They didn't break the law and were killed due to incompetence of the American legal system.
     
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    all hail comrade trump because this is something the soviet union would have done
     
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    Well look at that, he ticked off the boxes for at least three out of five of the SS's favorite things. Just coincidence, I'm sure...
     
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    It's unfortunate that some people get convicted of crimes they didn't commit, but I won't let that take away the fact that the people who were executed the majority of them weren't innocent and their actions were what got them executed. You seem to be defending the people who broke the law as you tried to shift focus to a minor side issue instead of addressing my main point. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
     
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    no, he's telling it's cruel for the police, the law enforcers, for families both sides, for the executioner, and the list goes on that instead of justice this just leaves a gap. sure, i'm with you when it's 0%rub death,tter ofeally be doubt, some scumm in the world are t in most justice cases it's not gonna be a 100% sure proofen guilt story. if a body isn't found for example, it's better to for the victums fam to get one in prison for there might come closure more full.
    if there's any possible doubt it's not gonna help killing a suspect, since the vic's fam will never get answers, justice isn't about punishment, it's about getting the answers to get set free as a victums fam.
    punishment only helps as there's a learning aspect coming with it.
    and well, i doubt everyone in prison in us is different tfrom any other country, a good portion is there because police can fix a story, not because they can proof guilt.
     
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    Before you fully create this narrative, I might have to provide the input, that because of political meddling, US has lost its ability to produce enough 'deadly stuff' for their lethal injections. Most of it was produced in france afair - and they started to turn down supply - because, well - US used it to kill people, US was unable to create it within their own boarders, because - of moral considerations on part of the manufacturers I guess (let that leak on facebook...), so they started to experiment with 'mixing other stuff', with horrible results.

    Knowing that - some Joe Arpaio types might just have pushed the Reps to 'just allow us to shoot them'.

    Great thing is - this severely fucks over the people doing the shooting. Deathly injections have the air of a medical procedure, where the deathly dose doesnt have to be administered by a person necessarily, so they were generally seen as 'more humane', not just for the victim, but also for the executioner.

    Might spread rumors on the last paragraph, on the supply issue stuff I pretty sure, that that happened.

    I mainly opened the thread to test, how far certain people would go to defend anything with Trump in it.. ;)


    edit: Here, src:
    https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/29...xecution-that-europe-banned-exporting-to-them
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...rope-end-the-death-penalty-in-america/283790/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...opean-embargo-end-death-penalty-10106933.html
     
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    Where am I defending people who broke the law?

    The bottom line is one innocent person executed is one too many.

    As all the right love god and follow his word let's see what he said about this.

    Romans 12:17-19
    Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

    Jesus himself said in regards an eye for an eye.

    Matthew 5:38-42
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
     
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    I'm not sure why you're quoting the Christian Bible when the Liberals are so adamant on removing anything related to it from society. The Justice system is Godless because the Liberals want it that way. I'm sure if they were to introduce God into the equation things would improve massively, but the way it is now is what you get when you fall from God's grace. You removed what is good, just and right from society so what did you expect would happen?
     
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    No, the justice system is godless, because god is used to rectify everything. The only way out of it would be 'to go by the book' and the book told Moses, that slaughtering another tribe was A ok, and so was to take a defeated tribes women, and that a lord can fuck another ones wife, and...

    see: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...umbers-the-bibles-most-hideous-war-crime.html

    There are some other issues with religious logic - mainly this:


    But the most problematic stuff is, that it doesnt allow for 'contexture' (punishments 'from - to', judges interpretation), because its believe system is absolute.

    Its - this type of law:
    http://www.wright.edu/~christopher.oldstone-moore/Hamm.htm


    Same issue with ISIS, really - once they occupied a territory, they started to want to follow religious law. And the book said to flog people, and cut their hands off - and for women to wear Burgas, and...
    -

    New testament cant be used, because it doesnt give 'religious doctrine' it gives allegory.
     
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    LOL. I'll tell you right off the bat that your assumptions about the scripture covering Moses and what actually happened or what it's describing are wrong. You're like the people who actually take that there was a talking snake in the Garden of Eden at face value or that Jonah was actually swallowed by a large fish. The Bible conveys lessons that will help you through life in many forms including parables. It's not my fault that you don't know how to read it. If you really want to learn how to read the Bible I suggest you visit a local Church and ask how to go about doing so. You might want to start with the differences between the Old and New Testaments, what each means and how to learn and obey from them correctly.
     
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    Here, this should give you a quick rundown:
    https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Publications/RonAnderson.pdf
    (And put you in conflict with "religious law wouldnt be constitutional" ;) ), i'm still looking for a better historical write-down:
    This is good, but too little:
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0144036042000276902?src=recsys&journalCode=flgh20


    edit: Here: Best I could come up with, in 15 minutes:
    https://www.gcsnc.com/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=88106&dataid=87237&FileName=Origins of Law Reading.pdf

    :)

    edit2: And then this for the transition from english law to the american law system:
    https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/origins-of-american-law/
     
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    To accuse people of not knowing how to read it is ridiculous. How are people suppose to interpret it correctly? Nobody can. That's why there's different sects of the same religion. That's why Islam, Judaism, and Christianity exist even thought they believe in the same God. No one knows how to properly interpret the religion.
     
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    My statement stands. If you're taking the written word in the Bible literally you're not reading it correctly. Although, this isn't Bible Study. I just wanted to point out that God has been removed from most of the institutions in society and we're seen the result of that - they are all negative. Not obeying the Lord and living a life of sin will lead to misery and death, including being executed by Godless minions.
     
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