1. Xzi

    OP Xzi GBAtemp's Resident Plok Expert
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    This is whataboutism. It doesn't solve any problem, just points to another in the hopes that I'll forget about the first problem. Well I'm sorry, but I'll let Islamic countries deal with their own issues, the topic at hand hits a lot closer to home. Besides, if that truly is allowed under Islamic law, why would you want that type of law imitated in Texas?
     
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    I think just don’t mention the name Trump at all. You get all kinds of crazy. People on the left rein on him hard. People on the right defend him endlessly.

    His name is all kinds triggering. Even to ridiculous levels that people are starting to call him 45 (45th president). He’s like the Voldemort of Harry Potter, lol. Don’t say Trumps name 3 times near a mirror or he’ll appear and lower taxes. (I stole this joke, lol.)

    They focus on Trump and political parties that the original OP gets lost in people. Which is sexual assault on the kids bad.
     
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    That's a problem I've witnessed myself. A valid case hasn't been brought to my attention about 'migrants' being sexually assaulted while in the United States. It sounds like a story CNN would run without fact checking. If you really care about this, maybe do something in real life? Make some signs, urinate on the floor of congress. It damages your opinion to voice it on such a silly platform.
     
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    Fair enough, though I'm not 100% convinced that using a nickname will truly solve anything. This isn't the first time and nor will be it the last time his administration's policies are tied to something so dark/illegal in one way or another, so it feels like there is just no avoiding triggering some people. Sure I might've been slightly more inflammatory than I needed to be in the OP, but I wasn't referring to any specific member here, I was just trying to get some right-wing engagement on the topic.

    ...And now we're right back to calling it "fake news" from Trump's own Department of Health and Human Services. Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:
     
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    I’m going to start calling him 45 just for kicks.
     
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    Oh, but doing that does not fit the agenda of "Orange man bad" bullshit.
     
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    Aww, orange fan mad. So cute.
     
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    I usually like your posts, but man, don't stoop to their level. The one thing that prevails above all partisanship, is objective truth. Let the mindless conservatives (and less often, others) spin their wheels with fallacy and whataboutism.
     
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    Good point. I can't help but find it amusing that their entire belief structure and ideology has been reduced to a few short slogans/memes, though, and that they don't realize how easily those can be turned around on them with some simple wordplay.
     
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    It's clear that many have a hard time debating, discussing, and digesting opinions that differ from what they immediately feel like is the "correct" opinion. It is also clear that there is a strong correlation to those that have not grown past these intellectual inhibitions and conservative thought. My real concern is the mindless dribble drowning out the actual, worthwhile discussion between opposing ideologies, conservative or otherwise. I believe there are some good points to be made from a conservative standpoint, but it is difficult to hear them behind all the projection, emotional reaction and illogical reasoning.
     
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    Believe me, I know the problem all too well. My brother identifies as 'alt-right,' and though he doesn't claim to be a neo-nazi, he does have swastika and SS tattoos on his chest, so plausible deniability there is fairly lacking. Since Trump went mainstream, he's completely changed his way of speaking and debating, and he gets most of his "news" from Youtube now. We still talk a fair amount, but I've never been able to find a method to break through that wall of willful ignorance where certain topics are concerned. It's a cult of personality, and I honestly think the only way to get through to these people is for them to witness Trump resign in shame or be carted off in handcuffs. Anything short of that they'll deflect with whataboutism, or justify away with some ridiculous mental gymnastics.
     
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    My condolences, friend.
     
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    Children are been abused and you're making jokes about it.
    Have you lost your sanity and humanity?
     
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    I don't take things seriously on GBAtemp. If you really care, take some real action.
     
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    If all you're looking for is lols and memes, you've practically got the entire rest of the site for that. This is a serious story regardless of where it's posted, but nobody can force you to take it seriously. Just don't expect anyone to take the Republican party seriously as the party of "law and order" anymore, either. They might as well embrace who they are and merge with the Catholic church at this point. If you think that's hyperbole, let's not forget that this story comes after the party ran Roy Moore last year, and after it was revealed that Trump's new labor secretary previously gave an illegal sweetheart plea deal to Jeffrey Epstein. This is strike three on the pedophilia meter. Well, more like strike 4558, but you get my drift.
     
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    Yes lets abolish ICE and open the boarders wide open. The libs want all these illegals in US so why dont they open up their houses to let them stay for free at their place? Lets let the bleeding heart Liberals care for all the children. Why is it that no one wants to open their house to let the illegals stay? Come on Democrats, specially Bernie Sanders, the Rich will gladly pay for them to stay...
    Massive uncontrolled immigration is the best thing for the country you know.
     
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    God this is just completely devoid of any logic. They rent their own apartments/buy their own houses like anyone else. Sometimes they can only afford to live with roommates, like anyone else. If big businesses and large corporations keep hiring undocumented workers, they'll keep taking advantage of that. You want more people immigrating here legally, make the legal immigration process less bureaucratic/drawn-out and more appealing. Simple. I'm tempted to make a quip here about how there's no chance a Trump supporter could pass the naturalization test, but the truth is that a majority of Americans would be unlikely to pass it.
     
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    If it's the ICE officers doing this, then they should be arrested and replaced as soon as possible. If it's the detainees doing this to each other, than the first thing that we should do is figure out why the systems that are in place that are supposed to prevent this from happening aren't working. Is the ICE understaffed, so they can't manage the number of people that they have to? Then we need to hire more people to boost the staff, and if necessary, increase their budget to pay for the staff increase and any necessary training. Are they overcrowded and there are too many people there to keep an eye on? Then we need to build more facilities and transfer detainees until we have the proper number in each location.

    The way that these issues are presented, it seems like they're just trying to push for every possible reason to abolish things like the ICE, when it looks like what's needed is to actually do the opposite. (And before anybody complains, yes I do think that things should be done to make it easier to immigrate legally. Give the illegal immigrants currently detained the option to have the paperwork done and be released afterwards as legal immigrants as an alternative to deporting them. But, if they refuse to do so, then have them deported. They don't want to be full and legal citizens of the United States, then they don't need to be here. Do the same thing for illegal immigrants that are already here. Give them the opportunity to go into somewhere like a Department of Licensing or something and get a sort of temporary visa or something to prove that they're trying to become legal citizens. If they refuse to do so, or their visa is so far expired, like six months or so without even a renewal, that it's obvious that they have no intention of completing the process and becoming legal citizens and they need to be sent back. Basically, give them every chance possible to become legal citizens, but if they refuse all of those chances, then they need to leave.)
     
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    I was actually being sarcastic. But really, i never see the bleeding heart libs offer to take some immigrant families and give them a room at their house.

    I want there to be a new Ellis island that can process and control Immigration.
    Our immigration system is worse then fallout 76. We all can agree on that. English has to be named as the official language. And you can only become a citizen if you are not a drain on the system.
    We all know the system cant handle the current level of strain. We cant even afford to take on all these immigrants. How many can be taking befire the entire ship sinks? There is also the problem of the lack of Assimilation in to American society. Immigrants have to realize that this is not like their native country and need to stop trying to make it like their home country. That said, they can still follow their own customs but dont force it upon those already here.

    The miss treatment of kids is unacceptable and it has nothing to do with Trump or politics. Both sides need to knock off their shit and come up with some actual working solutions that dont involve loss of liberty,freedom and high taxes. Those that want socialist dont realize that most of the population has to be working and the tax rate will be at-least 50-60% to be even close to paying for all socialist programs that the left wants to implement.
     
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    It's both. Slightly more than 150 cases of ICE officers sexually assaulting minors, the rest of the cases (out of 4,556 total) are minors sexually assaulting each other. The system is somewhat overwhelmed, but that's also by design in the way the Trump administration did a 180 on the family separation policy far too quickly. Out of all the cases where minors assaulted other minors, I'd have to assume ICE officers were still watching in at least half of those. If you think about it, it's exactly the type of job to attract active and passive pedophile behavior, you're put in a position of authority over children with no outside oversight whatsoever.
     
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