1. Xzi

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    The consumer gets the illusion of choice. Coke or Pepsi, either way it's sugar water produced for less than $0.05 a gallon and priced at $1.00+ for 20 ounces. Similarly, almost all food and beverage companies are owned by a few mega-corporations when you trace things back to their roots. This is the case across nearly all industries and sectors in the US. Multiple friendly faces for what ultimately amounts to one option.

    The US very much has a large, exploited proletariat. We just don't view ourselves that way, which is extremely convenient to the powers that be.

    In the sense that we have a trickle-up economy, that's true, but once it reaches the top, that wealth goes nowhere.

    Nonsense, your average consumer doesn't have an army of lobbyists in DC to distribute power as they see fit. Corporations and the wealthy elite do.

    Oh give me a break, in what way are monopolies not a direct result of unregulated capitalism? A corporation with the power to corner a certain market will always choose to exercise that power.

    Aside from the tech sector, the US has several "royal families" which were around for 100+ years before my birth, and without some sort of revolution, will still be around for 100+ years after my death. The Federal Reserve itself is a private entity that isn't going away any time soon, let alone Wal-Mart or any major bank.
     
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    "Change the subject! Talk about something else!" :P


    The 14 year old who was shot and the 16 year old that was shot and murdered are black. Not in Proud Boys, I'd wager.

    Do their black lives matter? Were the CHOP Security persons who shot them white?? Where's the media? Why has this been disappeared off CNN's frontpage?
     
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    Gamers are kinda funny when politics are involved
     
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    My initial comments where directed at your comparison of capitalism and totalitarian regime, but I will still speak to some of your comments here:

    We have plenty of choice in the market. I'm not going to spend any time arguing this.

    Wealth is rarely 'going nowhere'. Once obtained, It is usually placed in a position where it can grow, i.e. investments and property.

    Correct, however we are now discussing government involvement in capitalism, which is another debate. (The solution to this problem is a simple one; vote term limits and remove career politicians from congress to make lobbying less attractive. But as I said, part of a different discussion).

    The formation of monopoly is possible, sure, but it is a weak monopoly without the power of legislation to back it. This is precisely why companies spend millions of dollars and a great amount of time lobbying congress. Why bother if a monopoly/trust can be so readily achieved?

    Meh, Who really gives a fuck? A few families harbor old money, so what? As long as you have the potential to generate to the same wealth, I don't see the concern.
     
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    Best post in the whole thread
     
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    Read the second-half of the post ghostbit.
     
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    I didn't respond to that half out of politeness, but if you legitimately think you can still (or arguably ever in our history, but I'll pass on that for the moment) go from 0 to Bezos in this country with nothing but elbow grease you're completely deluded out of your gourd.
     
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    Elbow grease?! Shit, you dont even need talent to become a millionaire in this country. Some cats streaming video games on Twitch make more money than you or I. Look around.
     
  10. Xzi

    Xzi GBAtemp's Resident Plok Expert
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    No, we're discussing capitalist (corporate) manipulation of government, not the other way around. Again, this is the inevitable result of allowing near-infinite wealth to be accumulated at the top, in the hands of people who did nothing to earn it. In a country whose only true god is money, they view themselves as above government and above the law, and for all intents and purposes, they are. They're oligarchs.

    Err...yeah, that was the point? Guess you agree with me on that one. If you're suggesting that lobbying is some sort of "major sacrifice" for corporations and the wealthy elite, I've got some bad news for you: it isn't. They don't have to spend anywhere near 1% or even 0.01% of their total accumulated wealth to get everything they want out of government. Their leashed politicians have already ensured that government will be in debt for decades, if not centuries to come, putting it in a perpetually weakened position so that it can never negotiate fairer wages and labor laws for the working class.

    You might as well have said, "as long as you have the potential to win the lottery, I don't see the concern." Apparently someone hasn't seen The Hunger Games. ;)
     
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    RIP CHAZ/CHOP and all it took was 2 unarmed black teens getting shot, and them having a "Summer of Love" festival outside the Mayor's house! I hope they pay the Mayor a visit again.

    And yes, the cops took back their building.
     
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