Things are getting worse - Mexico and Trump.

[H1B1Esquire]

Politics on thetemp....Hopefully this post will boost my warning level past 1. I didnt feel cool enough for the temp with such a noob level edgyness

So, what you're saying is: the people who choose to employ undocumented immigrants should be held accountable for destroying 'merica' by trying to get rich or inadvertently destroy your own country while you die trying?

If that isn't what you're saying, maybe the source of the root of the problem needs to be addressed?
It's ~60% of the contractors employing the people to do cheap labor.

And you vote for a guy who wants to build a bigger wall than the guy who built a fence-sized wall that fucked over millions of people and created 'dead zones' which was totally effective...because it completely stemmed the flow of illegal activity. Mankey used Earthquake on Zapdos - it was Radically Effective

 

[barronwaffles]

I'm not japanese but Japanese were still beating your asses It was actually by the intervention of Russia that world war 2 was won because before Russia you were losing the war against 1 small country. That's the problem with you Americans, you're Always so full of yourself and then you wonder why the whole world hates you

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Jesus Christ.

Japan never stood a chance - the only thing they were adept at was slaughtering those of a similar ethnic group and interdepartmental military failure.

 

[Jayro]

Our borders are supposed to be secured, just like any other country's borders. Why does reinforcing a wall we already have suddenly make us racist? (You break the law, you suffer the consequences! No race discrimination!) There's an immigration process you have to go through to go from *insert-any-country-here*'s citizenship to an american citizenship, but everyone coming into America keeps trying to cheat the immigration system and get a free ride here. That means undocumented immigrants will be working here without paying taxes, and not contributing their fair share. Well fuck that!

 

[sarkwalvein]

I wonder how long it will be until Muricans notice Donald Trump is an incompetent wreck?
I don't mean to criticize the Republicans, or even less to try to make the Democrats, it's not about that, not about right or left either.
It's just that I clearly see a path of International relationships problems and world economical crisis, the latter being way more pronounced in the USA.
Hold tight and brace yourselves, I expect 1929 to arrive again... Perhaps he's just trying to pull out a Black Tuesday 90 years on the flesh conmemoration?
I don't know, I have enough popcorn to watch this and enjoy from afar, sure the shock waves will reach even here but I guess I will survive the explosion.

PS: And my post is not about the wall, I couldn't care less if he wants four walls and even a ceiling, you know just to be sure nobody arrives in parachutes... I'm talking about international affairs and economics.

 

[Xiphiidae]

I wonder how long it will be until Muricans notice Donald Trump is an incompetent wreck?

I suggest you take note of what he's actually been able to do so far. Unlike most Presidents, Trump is actually delivering on many of his promises.

Feel free to disagree with what he's doing and what he wants to do (I don't agree agree with everything that his administration stands for), but labelling him as "incompetent" is ignorant.

 

[kumikochan]

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Jesus Christ.

Japan never stood a chance - the only thing they were adept at was slaughtering those of a similar ethnic group and interdepartmental military failure.

Sure you believe that

 

[sarkwalvein]

I suggest you take note of what he's actually been able to do so far. Unlike most Presidents, Trump is actually delivering on many of his promises.

Feel free to disagree with what he's doing and what he wants to do, but labelling him as "incompetent" is ignorant.

Yes, I know, but his promises only lead to great problems in the future.
I know many fascists that delivered quickly on their promises.
That's the reason Argentina is as it is, instead of being a wealthy country. I know that in the flesh.
You have a Peronist as a president, enjoy!

 

[barronwaffles]

Sure you believe that

The results of the war and the lingering sentiments in both Southeast Asia and China speak for themselves.

 

[kumikochan]

The results of the war and the lingering sentiments in both Southeast Asia and China speak for themselves.

Sure

 

[Xiphiidae]

Yes, I know, but his promises only lead to great problems in the future.

Feel free to believe that, but understand that that is entirely different to incompetence.

I know many fascists that delivered quickly on their promises.

Another baseless Trump = Fascist analogy.

You have a Peronist as a president, enjoy!

I'm not American :^)

Just because nationalism and populism didn't work for Argentina, doesn't mean that they won't work for any other country. Also note that Trump has no desire to Nationalise any American industries.

Sure

Nice rebuttal.

 

[el_gonz87]

Yes, I know, but his promises only lead to great problems in the future.
I know many fascists that delivered quickly on their promises.
That's the reason Argentina is as it is, instead of being a wealthy country. I know that in the flesh.
You have a Peronist as a president, enjoy!

The difference is that Argentina was not one of the most powerful countries. We're not fascists, we have a bipartisan government, and even if we were who's gonna stop us? LOL

In the case of the wall I don't think its unfair, it is to keep Mexicans in Mexico after all!

 

[sarkwalvein]

Feel free to believe that, but understand that that it entirely different to incompetence.


Another baseless Trump = Fascist analogy.


I'm not American :^)

Just because nationalism and populism didn't work for Argentina, doesn't mean that they won't work for any other country. Also note that Trump has no desire to Nationalise any American industries.


Nice rebuttal.

They also didn't work for Italy, Germany, Japan, and so long. Populism is only lies.
But again, I don't care about he providing bread and circus to the peoples, but in the childish way he is achieving this demagogy (that is what I mean by irresponsible/incompetent) he will break economy and international affairs, that will affect the world for sure, but specially the USA in the long term.

The difference is that Argentina was not one of the most powerful countries. We're not fascists, we have a bipartisan government, and even if we were who's gonna stop us? LOL

In the case of the wall I don't think its unfair, it is to keep Mexicans in Mexico after all!

But of course Argentina is not a powerful country at all!
What I talk about is how Argentina reached that state, from being a country with incredible potential before 1930, to being the just mediocre but acceptable county that it is right now. Spoiler alert: populism.

 

[Xiphiidae]

They also didn't work for Italy, Germany, Japan, and so long. Populism is only lies.
But again, I don't care about he providing bread and circus to the peoples, but in the childish way he is achieving this demagogy (that is what I mean by irresponsible/incompetent)

Fascism and populism aren't the same thing. Stop being such a child. Is Bernie Sanders a fascist as well?

he will break economy and international affairs, that will affect the world for sure, but specially the USA in the long term.

Not only do you have no evidence for this prediction, but I think that the US political establishment has done a pretty damn good job of 'breaking' intentional affairs thus far.

 

[el_gonz87]

They also didn't work for Italy, Germany, Japan, and so long. Populism is only lies.
But again, I don't care about he providing bread and circus to the peoples, but in the childish way he is achieving this demagogy (that is what I mean by irresponsible/incompetent) he will break economy and international affairs, that will affect the world for sure, but specially the USA in the long term.

Break? Or maybe he will restructure to new alliances and trade deals. He already has a much much better relationship to Russia than Obama, that ALONE is a big asset.

Don't even play the I'm being objective card. LOL

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They also didn't work for Italy, Germany, Japan, and so long. Populism is only lies.
But again, I don't care about he providing bread and circus to the peoples, but in the childish way he is achieving this demagogy (that is what I mean by irresponsible/incompetent) he will break economy and international affairs, that will affect the world for sure, but specially the USA in the long term.


But of course Argentina is not a powerful country at all!
What I talk about is how Argentina reached that state, from being a country with incredible potential before 1930, to being the just mediocre but acceptable county that it is right now. Spoiler alert: populism.

America already reached huge potential. We don't have other countries telling us what to do.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Fascism and populism aren't the same thing. Stop being such a child. Is Bernie Sanders a fascist as well?


Not only do you have no evidence for this prediction, but I think that the US political establishment has done a pretty damn good job of 'breaking' intentional affairs thus far.

Ask that yourself. I don't give a fuck about Bernie Sanders today, I only comment what I see happening.
Try to stay on topic.
Regarding populism and fascism, yeah they are not the same, but Mr. Trump has both, he is as verticalist as he can be.

 

[Xiphiidae]

Ask that yourself. I don't give a fuck about Bernie Sanders today, I only comment what I see happening.
Try to stay on topic.

So illustrating the folly of your entire premise is getting off topic? How convenient.

Regarding populism and fascism, yeah they are not the same, but Mr. Trump has both, he is as verticalist as he can be.

If you honestly believe this, then you are living in a fantasy land. Please enlighten me on how Trump is more a of a fascist than the corrupt cabal of elitist aristocratic politicians he was the antithesis to?

 

[sarkwalvein]

Break? Or maybe he will restructure to new alliances and trade deals. He already has a much much better relationship to Russia than Obama, that ALONE is a big asset.

Don't even play the I'm being objective card. LOL

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America already reached huge potential. We don't have other countries telling us what to do.

Ask yourself how that will happen, then explain it in a logic way, just to yourself.
Be critic and honest to yourself, and take into consideration the international ramifications.
Think where will you sell your products and how will you cover your new needs.
Think what will happen with the countries that stray away from your economic influence sphere, due to worsening international affairs.
Think about how other countries will take advantage of that, visualize the new international set up in the future.
Take a moment to think how fits USA in that future, how its economy may work, and what happened with the rest of the world?
How did the rest of the world make new alliences, political, economical and militar. How may it affect USA in the future.
Think of that to yourself.
You can keep posing to me, I don't care, if you feel insecure and don't want to share whatever you thought about it's OK for me, I am not hunting witches, I only think it would be good for each person to think about this topics objectively for themselves.

 

[Xiphiidae]

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You should ask yourself whether the US' current (previous?) paradigm has been good for itself or the world.

You can keep posing to me, I don't care, if you feel insecure and don't want to share whatever you thought about it's OK for me, I am not hunting witches, I only think it would be good for each person to think about this topics objectively for themselves.

"Everyone is objective but me!"

 

[el_gonz87]

Ask yourself how that will happen, then explain it in a logic way, just to yourself.
Be critic and honest to yourself, and take into consideration the international ramifications.
Think where will you sell your products and how will you cover your new needs.
Think what will happen with the countries that stray away from your economic influence sphere, due to worsening international affairs.
Think about how other countries will take advantage of that, visualize the new international set up in the future.
Take a moment to think how fits USA in that future, how its economy may work, and what happened with the rest of the world?
How did the rest of the world make new alliences, political, economical and militar. How may it affect USA in the future.
Think of that to yourself.
You can keep posing to me, I don't care, if you feel insecure and don't want to share whatever you thought about it's OK for me, I am not hunting witches, I only think it would be good for each person to think about this topics objectively for themselves.

But you are assuming all countries will pull away. I think Trump is trying to change the cast of characters that interact with american economic and foreign policies.

If Trump gains closer ties with Russia, this is a pretty big asset for our country. I think Britain is looking to shift from the EU so there is another avenue, they just won a populist vote themselves...

No offense to the Latin American countries but they are very far away from being the big players on the global stage. It's time we think about other ventures IMO.

 

[sarkwalvein]

You should ask yourself whether the US' current (previous?) paradigm has been good for itself or the world.


"Everyone is objective but me!"

I don't know how good for the world it has been. At least it has provided a long era of... something near to peace, specially compared to the past.
Now, for itself sure it has been quite good, it set itself as the leader of the world due to the dependency it created and allowed it to manipulate international politics as they wished, and this is one of the things I see the USA losing and some other power taking advantage of (replacing the USA in this position).