There's a new coronavirus out in the wild

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Should really provide some links to this. I found some links on Google about this, which I am not surprised this happened. Too many people believe conspiracies about masks, vaccines, and other nonsense they got from social media. This was bound to happen eventually
 
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Time to wake up....

This is only the Beginning.....the more People vaccinated,the greater is the Way of Mutation...

Maybe one Day,Mankind will understand - The Virus can´t be inoculated away......
The Virus mutates and mutates and someday most of the People with good and intact (like many,many People actual on this Planet on the "natural" Way) will be resistant to it,just as many, many People are to flu,hepatitis and so on ......

People,who do not have a good Immunesystem should be vaccinated (on a voluntary basis,not to be forced).
And hopefully,the Vaccines are good and effective in the Future.....

By the Way:

The WHO recommends actual for the new Mutation Omicron the "old fashioned Way" - Masks and Distance.
 
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It's a new variant with multiple mutations, but the same virus. No info yet on how the vaccines fare against it, should only take about a month at most to get that data though.

the more People vaccinated,the greater is the Way of Mutation...
That's the opposite of the truth. The more easily-infected host bodies there are, the more time the virus has to mutate within those host bodies. Vaccinated people are both less likely to catch it and less likely to have noticeable symptoms, which also makes them less likely to spread it.
 

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That's the opposite of the truth. The more easily-infected host bodies there are, the more time the virus has to mutate within those host bodies. Vaccinated people are both less likely to catch it and less likely to have noticeable symptoms, which also makes them less likely to spread it.

They're speculating it mutated in an unvaccinated immunocompromised person, so the vaccine is more important than ever to prevent it having the time to mutate
 
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WHO has already classified the Omicron Variation as "worrying" as a signal that a variant is more contagious or leads to more severe disease courses.
In addition, with "worrying variants" there is a risk that conventional vaccinations, drugs or measures will be less effective.
 

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Already there..Israel,Hongkong,Belgium has already Cases.
Very high viralload......
That has nothing to do with the data I mentioned.

In addition, with "worrying variants" there is a risk that conventional vaccinations, drugs or measures will be less effective.
A "risk," yes, but we don't know that for certain yet. Spreading FUD in the interim serves no purpose.
 
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That has nothing to do with the data I mentioned.


A "risk," yes, but we don't know that for certain yet. Spreading FUD in the interim serves no purpose.
Yes,you live in your Bubble,I in mine,lets talk again about Omicron in 1 -2 Weeks,my Friend...
I would be very,very,very happy,if you are right,really honestly........
 

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Yes,you live in your Bubble,I in mine,lets talk again about Omicron in 1 -2 Weeks,my Friend...
I would be very,very,very happy,if you are right,really honestly........
I know I'm right, because all I've said is that we don't have the data yet. And we don't. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the vaccines will be less effective against Omicron than they are against other variants, but a speculative 50% protection against it is still far better than the 0% protection that anti-vaxxers have. Additionally, the vaccine formula can then be tweaked, if necessary, to address the specific threats of Omicron.
 
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I know I'm right

Netherlands next....
https://orf.at/stories/3238083/

2 Flights from South Africa to Amsterdam (over 600 People) with over a dozen Infections.
They are actual testing,if they infected with the Omicron Variante.


Expected Arrival in Austria - according to "Experts" - 1 -2 Weeks.
https://www.krone.at/2566242

mRNA Vaccines are maybe easy to "adjust"for the new Mutation,said the Expert.
So,more Vaccinations/Shots are on the Way.......maybe......
 

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2 Flights from South Africa to Amsterdam (over 600 People) with over a dozen Infections.
They are actual testing,if they infected with the Omicron Variante.
This is not the methodology used to gather data about the vaccines' efficacy against Omicron. You have to eliminate variables, which means first isolating the Omicron variant in a lab.

mRNA Vaccines are maybe easy to "adjust"for the new Mutation,said the Expert.
So,more Vaccinations/Shots are on the Way.......maybe......
Yes, maybe. It's long been my opinion that COVID-19 will become endemic like the flu, meaning yearly shots available for the variants most likely to be in your region. Things didn't have to be that way, of course, and a select few countries did handle the pandemic correctly from front to back. Far too many didn't, though, and we may be paying for that for years to come.
 

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I hate seeing stuff like this. You have literally no idea what level of protection anyone has due to their own immune system. If your 0% figure was true then the mortality rate pre-vaccine would've been 100%.
If you've never had COVID before, your immune system does not recognize it. I'm not talking about protection against death, I'm talking specifically about protection against infection.
 
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If you've never had COVID before, your immune system does not recognize it. I'm not talking about protection against death, I'm talking specifically about protection against infection.
Yes, because that's the only technicality that is left to argue for. I never see the same argument about the flu, which baffles me as it is orders of magnitude more deadly to children. Where is all the talk shaming people to get flu vaccines to help save the children? I'm guessing there isn't any because it's widely accepted the flu vaccine isn't particularly efficacious. Hopefully, we get to that realisation sooner than later with the Covid vaccines so the division between people can cease and we can go back to actually caring about each other rather than this fake version. Vaccinate/treat the elderly and vulnerable, let everyone else go back to normal because there is never going to be a situation where we don't have to live with this, just like getting the flu every year.
 

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I never see the same argument about the flu, which baffles me as it is orders of magnitude more deadly to children. Where is all the talk shaming people to get flu vaccines to help save the children? I'm guessing there isn't any because it's widely accepted the flu vaccine isn't particularly efficacious.
We already require any number of vaccines for diseases deadlier than the flu in order for children to attend public school (MMR, polio, etc). Whether parents also want to vaccinate their children for the flu or not is up to them, though I'm sure there's a number of scenarios where it's highly recommended. For that matter, about 50% of those aged under 17 got a flu vaccine in the last year. For the elderly it's closer to 70%.

Also worth noting that the flu on its own killed about 5,000 people last year, versus COVID-19 killing nearly 500,000. It's only when you include pneumonia with the flu that the mortality rate jumps up (about 50,000 a year).

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm
 

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now that most people are vaccinated... how would we (the pharmaceutical groups) continue wining money if we can't sell our drugs at 3800% profit* ? ohh, let's make a new variant and tell people they need a 4th shot ! now we can still sell drugs and be richer.
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no, you are right, they don't need a new variant to tell people their vaccine is not active anymore and they need another shot.

* Pfizer is selling a 18$ drug at 700$... right, they are NOT money greedy, they only think about people health, not their wealth. /s again?
 
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now that most people are vaccinated... how would we (the pharmaceutical groups) continue wining money if we can't sell our drugs at 3800% profit* ? ohh, let's make a new variant and tell people they need a 4th shot ! now we can still sell drugs and be richer.
/s .. or not
no, you are right, they don't need a new variant to tell people their vaccine is not active anymore and they need another shot.

* Pfizer is selling a 18$ drug at 700$... right, they are NOT money greedy, they only think about people health, not their wealth. /s again?
If they were giving the vaccines away for free, you'd be even more skeptical of them, and with good reason. Of course governments will pay top dollar for any tool which helps pull their economies out of a pandemic.
 
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