There are only two genders. Change my mind.

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  1. Wizardkoer

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    Gender = sex and there are only two of them; male and female. Anything else is just bullshit that people try make up.
     
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  3. Haamu

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    Very much agreed, two sexes determined by genetics; male and female. All things other than that are man-made creations/definitions/meanings that are another subject all together.
     
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    It seems most folks are falling back on "but mah genetics!".

    That has to deal with sex, and even that is not binary. it's *usually* binary, but biology is not exact in how it does things. That's how evolution works in the first place! If you think biology dictates only two sexes, and only two ways of expressing those genes, then your understanding of biology is pretty limited. If you think two sexes dictates there be only two genders, then your understanding of sociology, biology, and neurology are really limited.

    If you go by what you learned in highschool, I can understand why there's so much hesitation to accept the fuzziness of human sexuality, sex, and gender (all very different topics of conversation, if related in certain ways). but there's more to it, though.
     
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  5. leonmagnus99

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    thats right, theres only 2 genders ._.
     
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    Mind giving examples? Anything other than XX and XY is merely a mistake. Sex is not a spectrum.
     
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    Thanks for your brainstorming comment. A clear reflection of your mental abilities.

    On topic.
    As stated previously, gender and sex are not the same concept, even though most of the time we misleadingly use them both as one.
    As such, the very well defined gender (in therms of anatomy and phisiology) of a person doesn't necessarily define it's sexual behaviour.

    So answering your question, yes, there are only two genders on humans, even though sometimes people are born having both reproduction apparatus, only one of them is able for reproduction and the other isn't.
     
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    That's called "poisoning the well". And what you're thinking of as "mistakes" are things like XXY and XXYY. They are syndromes, not mistakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders But yes, this is not a "spectrum".

    There's also gene expression to consider, and where the concept of "spectrum" would come into play. Some folks present as feminine female, including vagina and related bits, but have XY chromosomes (testosterone doesn't affect them much). There's a whole range of things like this. XX are female, XY are male...except when they aren't.

    And while rare, they are not impossible or unworthy of acknowledgement. They, at any rate, disprove the notion that biology only has binaries. You can say it's more common to have binaries, and safe to assume for the majority of folks, but you can't say biology disproves anything more than binary.

    But gender is a different matter. :3
     
  10. TheMrIron2

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    Anything that isn't XX and XY is, as even your high school biology will tell you, a genetic slip-up. "Genders" in the sense you are suggesting are completely arbitrary concepts that people have invented. If something I said was incorrect, I'd appreciate it if you enlightened me by explaining it.
     
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  11. SG854

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    There are Gendered languages.

    In French the default gender is She. So if they don't know the gender of the person then they stick to she until they find out.
    In Dutch unknown people are called He, thats what they default to.
    In English we use a Gender Neutral or a Singularized Plural till we find out.

    It always amazes me when people look at languages that are masculine, that default to he, and call it a sexist language perpetuating the patriarchy. When there are also other languages that default to the feminine, and use she until they find out the correct gender.

    It is a good word to use. I never understood why people get offended by this word. When a baby is born we say, is It a boy or girl. When the baby is in the womb we say, did you feel It move. Or we say, when is It due. Or if we hear a door bell ring (pizza delivery person) we say, Who is it? Its a perfectly normal singular gender neutral pronoun to use. And a word to use until we find out what the it in question is.
     
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    just check out what I wrote right above you :P not necessarily wrong, but incomplete and a little misleading.
     
  13. TheMrIron2

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    My mistake Osaka, was on the train and gbatemp didn't refresh. I think we've sort of reached an impasse where we both think the other "isn't wrong but not entirely correct", since I'd generally attribute being feminine or masculine to being a personality trait instead of a predetermined biological trait. Until actual research comes (nothing exists that I'm aware of) on that front I'd say the whole thing is inconclusive.
     
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    Actually depending on how old you are, the "what you learned in highschool" excuse doesn't cut it anymore, because they're teaching gender studies in high school level behavioral science now
     
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    I'd wager personality has a lot to do with gene expression, which can heavily depend on environment. Hormones can also be affected by environment. So I'd say it's that ol' impasse of "nature vs nurture"

    That's good to know! There's hope for the future yet.
     
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    That's... Interesting. I definitely hadn't thought about that until now
     
  17. They teach propaganda in high school yes,that is the most effective way to control the sheep.If your views align with the MSM views,you are nothing more than a sheep that is being used to advance an agenda.
     
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    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gender
    "Since the 1960s, it is increasingly common—particularly in academic contexts—to distinguish between sex and gender, the former being taken as inherent biological distinctions and the latter as constructed social and cultural ones. See Wikipedia's article on the Sex and gender distinction."
     
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  25. StarTrekVoyager

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    Actually, in French the default one from a grammar POV is he (il), but we don't have a default one per se.
     
  26. Esjay131

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    Gender refers to someones 'type', e.g. their behaviour, mannerisms, expression.
    Sex refers to biological distinction as determined by the allosomes in their genetic makeup (23rd pair of chromosomes).
    Simple as that. There are some genetic issues which result in issues such as 'intersex' individuals. It's been proven by tons of studies that 'transgender' individuals brain structures are more similar to the sex they feel they belong to, then the actual sex they were born as.
     
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    The interesting thing is that the brain structure is actually impacted by hormones, both suplemental and original. So, as I understand it, the prevailing theory (based in observation) is that transgender individuals typically have significantly more testosterone or estrogen from birth than is typical for their sex, causing them to behave (and in many cases appear) closer to the norm of the opposite gender. Hormone therapy helps push things over the edge, one way or another, depending on how the individual would want to proceed
     
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