there is a lot of in-fighting in the scene, which has really become two scenes, as it pretty much always does with "hacked" systems. I would like to hopefully have a thread where we can talk about some things, and I'm gonna start it off. I have this viewpoint, that is only my own AFaiK, of what has happened since wii hacking kind of "Blew up." ISSUE NUMBER ONE: What are the two scenes? REALLY? You have to ask? There's homebrew, and there's piracy, just like there always is. They crisscross paths a lot, and they definitely aren't really made to get along, but who are we kidding, this is how things are. Homebrew purists....always bash pirates.....why? Who cares. If they don't want to support piracy, they don't have to, they don't need a reason. It's less about for what reason someone is bashing, and more about why bashing involves wanting to impede others or cause their failure at a given venture. Pirates....are often ungrateful, because they are used to getting whatever they want for free.....in the real world, we call that spoiled....and yes, in some ways, getting free games makes us pretty spoiled, I mean cmon, some people in the world don't eat, and we get free entertainment.....just accept it. Im not saying you should chastise yourself, but it is true, people do this for us, and we come out for the better. ISSUE NUMBER TWO: What people do these things for us? OKAY, I'm just gonna say it. I am not a bushing hater. Why? well aside from the fact that I just don't hate many people, HE HAD A RIGHT TO NOT REVEAL HIS SECURITY FLAW, HIM OR SOMEONE WHO TRUSTS/SUPPORTS HIM FOUND IT he also has a good REASON..... Hes about the most famous person in the Wii-scene so far, and he lives in america, where piracy is illegal. I'm not nintendo, and I could probably find bushings home address in about 2-3 days, if I really tried. No coder wants to go to jail, and if he really is anti-piracy, (Which I do hold in contention, but so many of you shout out) then theres no reason for him to risk it why do I question this? because I believe the support of a DVDRead Library which will be integrated into Emulators for wii is in-fact support of piracy. I could care less, he can do what he wants do I think he should have reported it, no, cuz that seems kind of deliberate thwarting of others, but it apparently didnt interest nintendo anyway, so whatever Waninkoko....releases things....that we can use....(OH BUT WHAT ABOUT HBC!!!!)...and rarely ever speaks to the community at all. He always includes warnings, and always includes thanks. I respect that. I don't think insulting his code proves anything except an inferiority complex from the insulter. Even marcan and bushing must have seen some value in sharing with him, because despite saying that he just took their IOS calls and packaged them, they continued to share info with him (according to them) for-freakin-ever. I personally don't believe hes just some fool who they told what to do, if you check out his site (waninkoko.info) it is obvious with all his projects he is a (busy) experienced coder, who also doesn't talk crap. Not talking crap is good, it makes you not look like a little vulva, which a lot of people apparently like to look like on here. Go ahead, look up vulva. ISSUE NUMBER THREE: What makes a release worthwhile? Who gets to decide? The HBC is not THAT impressive codework......There, I said it. I like it, I use it. if it hadnt been them, it woulda been someone else. I'll be more impressed when we can skin our system menu. I'll be more impressed when we can swap our hard drives (NAND I know). the scene doesnt work to impress me, yes I know this. and yet, I'm not afraid to say....the really impressive releases arent here yet, and I hope they do come. these are simple code, and licensed devs are not really impressed. shown the homebrew channel...? ..."yea, thats pretty neat, we put something like that together one week..." lol games are the same way, we put that together in one of my college classes in an hour IM GONNA PROBABLY MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAD HERE: Homebrew on systems is almost always very weak, and usually blames it on piracy. Its the same old story. "They ruined it for us." Time to stop blaming kids, if you want glory, do the work. its not the pirates fault for stealing your thunder. I personally think nitrotux did one of the most impressive releases lately, with the IOS5 really kicking some things off. Im sure Im about to get flamed, but in the midst of it, I'd like some people to praise some apps besides the HBC, post what you think, we like releases don't we? talk about who is doing good, instead of bad, for a change.